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Canada Bans preaching against homosexuality.

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Fishnbread, Nov 15, 2004.

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  1. Fishnbread

    Fishnbread New Member

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    I just heard canada has declared that preaching against homosexuality is a hate crime and will punish any one who does. I have three questions I would like you guys to answer, and they are

    1. do you think this could happen in the America?

    2. do you agree with this ban?

    3. should I pray that God punish thoughs responsible for this act?

    you may answer any of the questions, or all of them if you choose.
     
    #1 Fishnbread, Nov 15, 2004
  2. donnA

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    1. yes
    2. no
    3. don't know
     
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  3. DHK

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    Where did you hear this?
    Can you provide a link?
    Our pastor just preached a on message on homosexuality yesterday.
    DHK
     
    #3 DHK, Nov 15, 2004
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    I learned about this in our Sunday School Class. Ever since then I have been praying that Canada would repeal this decision.
     
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  5. Brett

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    I'd like to see a citation for this. I live in Canada and have heard of no such ban. There was one that was in the planning stages, but IIRC, it had specific previsions to protect religious freedom.
     
    #5 Brett, Nov 16, 2004
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    CANADIAN CHRISTIANITY.COM

    How this will work out in the courts remains to be seen.
     
    #6 rsr, Nov 16, 2004
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    It will come in America soon enough. "Hate crimes" will cover half of our Biblical mandate and we will be in jeopardy.

    Praying for the frozen chosen up North. Focus on the Family is keeping folks informed as to how this plays out.
     
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  8. Johnv

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    I'm curious to see the detail of what constitutes "preaching against homosexuality".

    Amendment 1 of the Constitution would preclude this from happenning.

    Canada is allowed to do what it likes. It's up to Canadian resident to agree or disagree with it. However, it should be noted that protected freedom of speech is considerably more liberal here in the US than elsewhere.

    No, we're not permitted to pray in such a manner. Vengence is God's not ours.
     
    #8 Johnv, Nov 16, 2004
  9. Daniel David

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    John, you last statement is devoid of reason and truth, of course.

    First, the other poster asked if it was okay that God punish them. Is there a problem with that?

    Second, Paul included such statements in SCRIPTURE about God punishing others. Sorry.
     
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  10. Johnv

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    No, the poster did not ask if it was okay that God punish them. The poster asked if one should pray that God punish them. Two different things. God decides whom he will punish, and whom he will not. We aren't given that privilege.
     
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  11. Daniel David

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    fishnbread, consider the words of Paul in 2 Tim. 14:

    Alexander the coppersmith did great harm to me. The Lord will repay him according to his works.

    Now, whether Paul ever prayed this or not is not known. What is known is that the Lord said to love justice and mercy. So, pray for justice and desire mercy at the same time.

    John, I can explain it again in a pm, because you obviously didn't get it.
     
    #11 Daniel David, Nov 16, 2004
  12. Johnv

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    Don't bother. You misquoted the OP, and I corrected you. You misunderstood my reply to the OP, and I corrected you. Let it go.
     
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  13. Daniel David

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    John, I didn't quote anything. Try to follow the discussion.

    To answer the question, there is nothing wrong with praying for justice. Unless one is a celebrity in california, then it must be a set up.
     
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  14. Johnv

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    You sad that the "poster asked if it was okay that God punish them".

    I replied that "the poster did not ask if it was okay that God punish them. The poster asked if one should pray that God punish them. Two different things."

    The OP asked "should I pray that God punish thoughs responsible for this act?", which contradicts what you stated he said.
    You first.

    You're right. There's nothing wrong with that whatsoever. Praying for justice is not the same as praying that God punish someone.
    Yet another statement of arrogance from you which does not contribute to the topic.
     
    #14 Johnv, Nov 16, 2004
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    Sorry, but this urban legend is really getting annoying. Bill C-250 does not ban preaching against homosexuality, nor does it define the Bible as hate literature. Have any of you actually looked it up?

    The section of the Canadian Criminal Code that this bill affects (318) is about genocide. Here is the section, with Bill C-250's effect in bold:

    The Canadian Criminal Code already said it is against the law to commit or advocate genocide based on colour, race, religion, ethnic origin. It now added "sexual orientation" to that list.

    It is against the law in Canada for whites to advocate genocide against blacks, for blacks to advocate genocide against whites, for Christians to advocate genocide against Muslims, for Muslims to advocate genocide against Christians, for Ukranians to advocate genocide against Polish, for Polish to advocate genocide against Ukranians, for heterosexuals to advocate genocide against homosexuals, for homosexuals to advocate genocide against heterosexuals, etc.

    Bill C-250 is simply closing an extremely small and minor loophole in the Canadian Criminal Code. As Christians, we should be applauding this addition of sexual orientation to Canadian laws that deal with genocide.

    Unless you are in favor of advocating genocide in some form?
     
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  16. Johnv

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    Thank you for clearing that up. I hope that we who have engaged in propogating the rumor will work to dispel the rumor as well. I know I will, if, out of nothing else, an act of repentence.
     
    #16 Johnv, Nov 16, 2004
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    natters, I am usually gleeful to debunk urban legends, but I'm not quite sure this is totally a myth.

    Article 319 of the Criminal Code of Canada:

    (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in a public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace if guilty of

    (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

    (2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against and identifiable group is guilty of

    (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

    (3) No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2)

    (a) if he establishes that the statements communicated were true; (b) if, in good faith, he expressed or attempted to establish by argument an opinion on a religious subject; (c) if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be true; or (d) if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada.

    (4) Where a person is convicted of an offence under section 318 or subsection (1) or (2) of this section, anything by means of or in relation to which the offence was committed, on such convictions, may, in addition to any other punishment imposed, be ordered by the presiding provincial court judge or judge to be forfeited to Her Majesty in right of the province in which that person is convicted, for disposal as the Attorney General may direct.

    Yes, there is an exemption for "if, in good faith, he expressed or attempted to establish by argument an opinion on a religious subject," but it's a provision that must be interpreted by the Canadian courts.
     
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  18. Jim1999

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    Absolute freedom in the pulpit, just don't preach hatred.....we can preached that homosexuality is biblically wrong..we can preach that it is evil...we can even preach that homosexuals are bound for hell, but don't instil a riot based on one's sexual preference....That is fair to me. We ought not to hate the sinner because of their sin,,,,,wait, don't evangelicals say this all the time?

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
    #18 Jim1999, Nov 16, 2004
  19. Fishnbread

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    Hi fellow Baptists, Im sorry I did not get back to you guys sooner, any how to answer the frequently asked question, I got the information from my father. Ill try to get a link for you guys showing where he got his information from but I have to get a hold of my dad first.

    your servant
    -Fishnbread
     
    #19 Fishnbread, Nov 17, 2004
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