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Canadian Health Care Bests US

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by alatide, Sep 20, 2009.

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  1. annsni

    annsni Well-Known Member
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    Where does it say that we're responsible for others? You mean I need to make sure that my neighbor's children go to a good school? That they have a flat screen TV? That it's my job to babysit their kids or do their lawn? Does the Bible not say that a man is responsible for his own family? That if he doesn't work, he doesn't eat and if he doesn't care for his own family, he's worse than an infidel?



    See, the issue is that I cannot support those people or organizations that I wish to...because we are too highly taxed. Just my property taxes is $14,000. There are SO many things I could do with that money including paying the utility bills of the young woman I know who is home with the swine flu and is not getting paid until she starts back to work. I'd LOVE to be a good samaritan but I cannot because the government feels it's their right to take all of my money.

    Would the Good Samaritan have been praised if he looked at the guy in the road and say "Well, I paid my taxes and he has the right to free healthcare. Good luck buddy!" and walked away? I don't see that supported in the Scripture, so your argument is dead.
     
    #21 annsni, Sep 21, 2009
  2. Crabtownboy

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    See my reply to Old Regular. It pretty well covers your post.

    You are right, if we Christians really believed in helping others and we all did so there would be little if any need for the government to do so. I wish that it be true that Christians did this. Also, if we did the message of Christ wold be much more appealing to everyone. Too often the unsaved see Christians as selfish, self-centered, legalistic all of which is very unappealing. This makes me very sad for I know there are many Christians who are helping and working to help others.

    I respectfully disagree with your last comment. Why? Because far too many Christians simply ignore the message of Christ on how we are to treat others.

    To be able to help others is one of the reasons that I believe every Christians should save and invest a minimum of their gross earnings. Now don't tell me it cannot be done because it can. Even when my spouse and I were very poor we tithed and saved. At one time we were so poor that we debated two weeks whether we could afford a 50 cent pack of playing cards for our own leisure entertainment.
     
    #22 Crabtownboy, Sep 21, 2009
  3. annsni

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    We try to save and we do save a little but at this point, we're actually going into some debt for my daughter to attend college (we have no mortgage but do have a home equity line of credit and we've had to put some of her tuition onto the HELOC). But that doesn't stop me from helping when I can. I helped that young woman with swine flu by giving her what extra money I had this week. I have often made meals, watched children or delivered groceries to families in need. I'm actually trying to figure out how to pay the tuition for our preschool for a friend of mine who would really benefit from putting her child in our new 2 year old program (it's just an hour and 15 minutes and $64 a month). She's going through a nasty divorce and she's worried about her son and his socialization needs (he was a micropreemie so she's pretty sensitive about things like this for him). So I do what I can but if I had even 1/2 of that $14,000 (not to mention the rest of our money taken in taxes), I could do so much more and have it be done from my heart and not by force.
     
    #23 annsni, Sep 21, 2009
  4. Revmitchell

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    There isn't enough taxes to be collected or enough private support to address everyone in need. It cannot be done. We do not live in a democracy. And this attempt to build a bigger government is not about the needy. It is about power.
     
    #24 Revmitchell, Sep 21, 2009
  5. Crabtownboy

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    I applaud your efforts! It is wonderful that you are helping others! That all we Christians would.

    I believe God brings people with need into our lives both those who we need to help and those who will help us ... and the help is not restricted to materials needs.
     
    #25 Crabtownboy, Sep 21, 2009
  6. Crabtownboy

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    We could certainly go a lot closer to helping all if we were not spending a billion a week on killing others.
     
    #26 Crabtownboy, Sep 21, 2009
  7. FlyForFun

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    Actually, very few of that "billion" is used to kill anyone. Tather, the bulk of the funds are spent to maintain rear and forward deployed forces tasked with establishing order in choatic "nations."

    Those tasks include protection of millions of civilians, thus protecting those who would otherwise be lost to unchecked civil war.
     
    #27 FlyForFun, Sep 21, 2009
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    "We could certainly go a lot closer to helping all if we were not spending a billion a week on killing others."

    And, yet you support the culture of death where far more are murdered everyday in the name of choice (far far more than any war that the U.S. has fought or is fighting now). Sad indeed!!!
     
    #28 sag38, Sep 21, 2009
  9. Andy T.

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    In some of your other posts (by alatide, JC, BB, etc.), you've stated that we shouldn't mix religion and politics, and that's the major problem with the American church these days. So why are you doing the very same thing here - mixing religion with your politics? Are you a hypocrite?
     
    #29 Andy T., Sep 21, 2009
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    That's you interpretation of loving your neighbor and especially your enemy? That's not scriptural but it is republican so I suppose you think that's good enough.
     
    #30 alatide, Sep 21, 2009
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    Since no one is denied medical care - which you full well know having been around and around this many times - it comes down to a matter of how and who pays.

    I don't see the issue of whether medical care for the uninsured is paid by everyone else either through higher taxes or by higher health insurance premiums as a Biblical question.

    BTW - I love it when libs want to bring up the Bible when they think that it supports their political positions - but suddenly become Biblically illiterate when it comes to abortion.
     
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  12. alatide

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    Why do you continue to LIE about my position on abortion? I do not support it.
     
    #32 alatide, Sep 21, 2009
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    You say one thing but I thing you really believe another. Why do you support the murder of millions of children through abortion, a practice made legal through a Republican Supreme Court?
     
    #33 alatide, Sep 21, 2009
  14. Revmitchell

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    Or suddenly do not want to mix church and state when they oppose the issue but use scripture conveniently when they support the issue.
     
    #34 Revmitchell, Sep 21, 2009
  15. donnA

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    This is the health care system being praised?

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html

    http://www.acpinternist.org/archives/1997/07/canadahc.htm

    http://www.aikenstandard.com/Le/warner-letter
     
    #35 donnA, Sep 21, 2009
  16. Bro. Curtis

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    Why do you lie about our position on health care ? Why do you lie about our charitable giving ?
     
    #36 Bro. Curtis, Sep 21, 2009
  17. annsni

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    Loving my neighbor is what I'm doing right now - selling things online to try to raise some money to help that single mom who is sick with the swine flu and pneumonia. She has no money coming in and is trying to drag her sick, exhausted butt into work so she can pay her bills when it's the last thing she needs to do. I wish I had money sitting around to help her but I don't so I've listed a few things online to sell and I'll have the money go directly to her.

    It is not scriptural to pay everyone else's bills. It's scriptural to pay your own bills. We're to love our neighbor - not financially support them. Are we? However, we can show the love of Christ to them by helping them in times of need as I'm trying to do right now. I don't want the government to steal my money and use a lot of it in bureacracy. I want to be able to have a hand in who gets it so I can minister to them in other ways.

    But whatever. It's very democratic of you to tell me that I must give all my money to whoever the government decides needs it.
     
    #37 annsni, Sep 21, 2009
  18. Robert Snow

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    Your inability to help sufficiently, although I am sure you are doing what you can, is more proof that we need a single-payer universal health care bill to pass the Congress.
     
    #38 Robert Snow, Sep 21, 2009
  19. Revmitchell

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    No it isn't Terry or whoever you are it has nothing o do with it.
     
    #39 Revmitchell, Sep 21, 2009
  20. annsni

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    How so? None of my income goes towards health care since it's covered by our church. Additionally, this woman has health care - but she cannot pay her bills because she's not working. Unless the health care bill takes that into consideration too. Does it?
     
    #40 annsni, Sep 21, 2009
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