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Cancer of torture at Abu Ghraib has metastasized

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Rufus_1611, May 17, 2007.

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  1. Ed Edwards

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    Ed Edwards said:
    And Rufus_1611 said:
    My bad. Here is a more specific quote:

    From the Opening Post (OP) on page 1 which was
    by Rufus_911 who was quoting
    David R. Irvine who was quoting a well-known
    but unspecified candidate:

    //One well-known candidate stated the dilemma
    this way: "How can I take an absolute position
    opposing torture when many people believe
    that it works and that it's worth it if it prevents another 9/11?"//
     
  2. Rufus_1611

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    Rufus_911 agrees with...

    Ed_411: // "Torture is one of the most ineffecient methods of collecting
    information."
     
  3. tragic_pizza

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    As does tragic_pizza.

    Funny how many of the posters are ignoring the fact that Conservatives and Liberals are in agreement on this.
     
  4. Ed Edwards

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    Torture and humiliation are NOT American values.

    Torture and humiliation are NOT Christian values.

    Torture and humiliation are NOT human values.
     
  5. Rufus_1611

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    Amen, Brother Ed -- Preach it! :thumbs:
     
  6. StraightAndNarrow

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    This great country is not being dismantled by liberals but by far right conservatives. Instead of pursuing al Queda in Afghanistan, this administration chose to invade Iraq, an action that is completely unsupportable. In fact, to justify the invasion of Iraq, which the Neo-Cons had recommended for 10 years, Bush lied to the American people. Is the nation safer from terrorism than it was on 9/10? No. The tremendous amount of money spent on "homeland security" has been wasted. Nothing has really been done to protect America. But that never was the objective. The objective was to occupy Iraq for the long term and to seize its oil reserves.
     
  7. LadyEagle

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    Except, SAN, George Bush is not a conservative, let alone far right. Neither is Karl Rove or Grover Norquist, two of his chief advisors. They are very left of center on most everything, especially when it comes to national security, our borders, free world trade, big government, to name a few. If GWB and his cronies are indicative of far right conservatives, then true conservatives must be ultra, ultra conservatives. GWB et al only appear to be conservative when compared to the Hollywood and media elite, but they are a million miles away from being "far right conservatives."
     
  8. carpro

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    It is fruitless to discuss scripture with someone who twists scripture to match his worldview, as you do.:BangHead:
     
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    We've never stopped pursuing terrorists in Afghanistan and the people through their Congress decided according to due Constitutional process to invade Iraq!
     
  10. tragic_pizza

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    In other words, you haven't a leg to stand on, huh?
     
  11. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    I see another inane attempt to place the President as a liar. Geesh! I supose that congress was a liar long before the President came on the scene. Silly really.

    The op ignores that terrorists never have cared for the Geneva Convention nor bothered to follow it. It jumps from one event to by American troops and places all blame from that point. While it is in the midst of avoiding some very pertinent facts it continues this fallacy by failing to acknowledge the presses part of this action when they placed the pictures all over the air waves all across the world. But hey lets not let pertinent facts get int he way of our mischaracterization an malicious maligning. Because then it wouldn't work out very well would it.
     
  12. hillclimber1

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    I am honestly deeply concerned for you tp.
     
  13. tragic_pizza

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    You're right. I should throw away my NRSV, break out the KJV, vote Republican, go to a church that dunks folks, and hope, hope, hope that if I work hard enough and am good enough maybe I can get the while, male, American God to forgive me of the sin of thinking torture is bad.
     
  14. Rufus_1611

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    :thumbsup:

    :thumbsdown: (unless, it is for Ron Paul, otherwise you may as well vote for a Democrat as their is little difference)
    :thumbsup: (Provided your "dunk folks" comments is your irreverent expression for baptism by immersion, you know, the way John Baptized Jesus)

    "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:" - Matthew 3:16

    I am white and male and the God I believe in is opposed to us torturing one another, so I think you're alright...on this topic.
     
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    Well, the rest wasn't a slam to you, it was a slam to the garbage hillclimber posted.
     
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    I understand, but you slamming Carpro for being a fundamentalist is a slam on me. You slamming Hillclimber for being white is a slam on me. Overall, your hatred towards anyone that is not "tolerant" of your brand of Christianity bodes well with few people and your practice of labeling all people of certain groups for the positions not held by all within those groups, is not very endearing. I don't appreciate you stereotyping anyone who doesn't believe like you do, particularly when the stereotypes are in error.
     
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    Call it a mirror, Rufus. I am reflecting back the kind of bigoted, fear-based stereotyping thrown at me, and others, whenever I do not toe the line in regards to political or religious mores.

    "Pastor" Larry in another thread is a prime example, as is carpro.
     
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    Bribing God will get you nowhere.:godisgood:
     
  19. carpro

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    Ed Edwards provided this definiton in another forum of the people you so despise:

    Quote:
    The essential fundamentals of traditional fundamentalism:

    1. the inspiration and infallibility of scripture

    2. the deity of Christ (including His virgin birth)

    3. the substitutionary atonement of Christ's death

    4. the literal resurrection of Christ from the dead

    5. the literal return of Christ in the Second Advent

    (From THE FUNDAMENTALIST PHENOMENON,
    Second Edition /Baker House, 1986/ page 7)

    That being the case, I will be happy to be despised as a "fundamentalist" by anyone at all.
     
  20. Rufus_1611

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    I find each of the fundamentals listed to be absolute truths, I will stand on these fundamentals and I consider those that hold to these fundamentals to be brethren (though we might tussle, as brothers do, on other issues).

    Tragic, which of these fundamentals do you stand opposed to?
     
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