Careless Women or Chaste Godly Women

This is certainly something that needs to be addressed continually in our womens groups.

may i add one thing.
the key issue is this: just a keeping of the commandments that we are commanded to do we cannot do this in our own strength. the key is a relationship. one try to do all the things God commands but there will be a lack in a womans life until she knows the Love of Her Life. that Love is the Lord Jesus Christ. that is when it will be our hearts desire to please Him in all that we do. that is why the scripture speaks of the hidden man of the heart, which is not corruptible.I Pet 3:4
when we fall in love with the Savior because He first loved us then none of this is something that we need to do but will be the desire of our heart to please Him.
we learn of Him and realize that we are nothing in ourselves that He who has begun a good work in us is able. Able to do what? Create in us a clean heart, make us vessels of honor. Jesus changes from the inside out.
"In all thy ways acknowledge him and he shall direct thy paths" Proverbs 3:6

 

I agree but I wonder, does this not apply to men as well as women?
Murph

 

While I do agree with the point you are trying to make, I do know some husbands who want their wives to dress provocatively or "sexy" and ridicule their wives when they don't or "look" at other women who do. And, yes, these are professing Christian men.


The point: It is not always the woman who is to blame for immodest attire.

I'll let you in on a little secret: Contrary to what men might think: Most women do not "dress to please themselves" but rather dress to please men, especially "their man."

 

Yes it is. Given the choice to obey her husband or obey God's commandments, she should choose the latter.

 

Men also wear immodest attire. The last time I went to a beach, I seen a very large fat man in a very small Speedo - more than I wanted to see. This man wouldn't be caught dead like that.

freeatlast, why did you only address women? Many men are just as careless in those same areas.

 

I've wondered that often. Why is it that I can go to the gym wearing shorts and a tank tee, and somehow, believe it or not, the women seem to be able to control themselves. Yet, when a woman shows up in shorts and a sleeveless tee, all of a sudden, she's dressing inappropriately. Whassupwiddat?

Perhaps the men need to spend less time berating scantily clad women, and spend more time berating themselves for not utilizing the spiritual fruit of self control.

As for me, I'm proud to say that I'm a grown man, and have the full ability to keep my eyes in their sockets, so as to not disrespect the woman, and, just as importantly, to not disrespect myself.

 

I believe that when one desires to live a life honoring to God he will be much more closer in his relationship so that he can better listen to the Holy Spirit. Listening to the Holy Spirit and asking God for wisdom takes a person who seeks after God first. It takes a person who is always praying and asking God. It takes a person who is rid of self and able to listen. God will give us the wisdom we need by whatever means he chooses. I personally feel that the older must be teaching the younger to honor God. By honoring God the person learns to do what is right. That may not always be in accordance with what the person is comfortable with. So often what we are comfortable with is cultural. But when we step outside of our culture we may not be so comfortable and that may require change on our part.

 

i heard a saying once and i know that there is truth in it!

"if God leads you to it He will lead you through it"

 

i in no way advocate loose living either by a man or a woman. it is much easier to point out where others don't measure up. we as believers must be careful to always temper it with love. i think the best way is to be an example. actions do speak louder than words in most cases.

 

i may have misread my Bible and please correct me if i am wrong. i believe that the context of these scripture is those that put confidence in the flesh. i am not sure how it applies to a man leading his family?

 

Murph "I agree but I wonder, does this not apply to men as well as women?"

There is not a sin or behavior that is not common to all...men and women. Men and women are to be modest, humble and so one. All are to have the heart of a servant one to another.
I think what many miss is that first and foremost we are brothers and sisters in the Lord and all qualities and fruit of the Spirit are to apply. And that starts in a servant attitude and men not acting like a LORD over their family.

Many so focus on the concept of women being the "qualities" listed in the those particular verses that what is missed, is these verses

5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.
7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.
8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:
11 Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.

A husbands prayers are hindered if he does not also honor his wife. We are joint heirs in Christ.

We have been married many years. My husband loves and esteems me first as a friend and sister in Christ, and he still calls me his bride. I in turn learned how to love and cherish and honor him as my husband. It took time for both of us to learn our Biblical roles and responses. But we have learned. What many seem to do is turn the issues into power things. It's not about that. It's esteeming others before ourselves. Even in the home.

 

Free....actually being careful of how you speak does apply to both men and women. Men must also learn how to speak and when to speak about certain things. Also, men need to learn how to speak of thier wives just as much as ladies need to learn how to speak of their husbands. It goes both ways here.

 

Freeatlast. "I agree that men need to also be modest, but if you notice the bible does not deal with the issue in the same way as with women."

I disagree. When God clothed Adam and Eve, He covered both their nackedness. There was no difference in need. It as a issue that was to be addressed by men and women. There is no difference in modesty needs or the issue of lust of flesh for men or women.

Or are you suggesting that when Jesus used the example of

Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

That He meant only men can look at women with lust and therefore only commit adultery, because that's all He stated? Therefore that sin can only be applied to men?

Don't women lust after men? Or are there gender specific sins, as you are suggesting. Can men have pants falling off their butts, or sprayed on jeans, and go shirtless, but women should be covered to the ankles or whatever? Can men wear Speedos, shudder, but women should never bare even their arms for fear of tempting a man, and violating a basic modesty principle?
Isn't that a double standard?


1 Cor 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.