Catholic Taliban?

I should delete this post as it is not on topic. I have already given you one warning (and perhaps more).
How do you compare a church of a few dozen members to an unscriptural corrupt organization of over one billion members. There is no comparison, so your question is moot. It has nothing to do with the OP.

 

There are no denominations in the Bible.
The very definition of Roman Catholic Church does not fit the definition of the word "church" or ekklesia in the Bible, which simply means "assembly."
It is not an assembly.
It is not Christian nor has ever been.
It is a false world religion whose doctrines send people to hell.

 

Even if I gave you the benefit of the doubt that they were Christian, the onus would be on you to demonstrate that they (the RCC authorities) in love, took Scriptural steps to excommunicate Aquino. You do the homework. Have they done this? Have they started a process?
Or is the Taliban way of threats and intimidation the only "Christian" way they know?
Comparing the political situation in the Philippines to me and my church is off topic.
Comparing it to the Bible is what you should be doing. I am not your sole authority in all matters of faith and doctrine; the Bible ought to be. Is it?

 

To excommunicate on what grounds? On the grounds of a controversial subject that falls under the categories given in Romans 14? No!

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Excommunicated for what? Here is an example:
1 Corinthians 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
1 Corinthians 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
--The crime was incest. Adultery. It was not a simple difference of opinion in the use of contraceptives. It was far more serious. It held the consequence of bringing shame to the name of Christ and to that particular local church. The action to be taken was to put one out of the church until he had repented of his sin. Eventually he did repent and came back into the fold.

This is a red herring. They are trying to excommunicate him because he is trying to pass a bill for the betterment of his nation.
Your question makes no sense. The wrong is on the RCC who act with Taliban methodology in threats and intimidation in order to try to stop him from passing this bill. Is that the Christian way of doing things?

People observe. They have observed. Now the RCC better take notice. Are these observations correct, and do they need to change their ways? Are they acting according to the dictates of the Bible, or are they acting in a manner like unsaved pagans. It seems like the latter is true. Examine yourself to see if you are in the faith. They need to do that.

You are right. The threat is there. It is an ultimatum. It is intimidation. It is that which is against the law in this nation. It is also called corruption. The behavior (of Aquino) is not wrong if he believes it is for the right of the nation. The RCC does not take this harsh stance against any other Catholic. It is intimidation only here. Why? So they can make political inroads. They can't even take care of their own immoral priests which is a far worse problem.

Love, principles in Mat.18:15-20 being carried out. Democracy in action. A separation between church and state--that which Celdron was protesting for.

That is not the issue. The issue could be polygamy and a belief in it. If the church wants to change it, it is wrong to do it through Taliban-like methods: intimidation, threats and ultimatums. Is that democracy in action. The Philippines is a democratic nation. It is not a dictatorship run by the Catholic Bishops. That is the problem. Why doesn't the RCC believe in a democratic process? Why must they be the sole authority and power in a democratic nation acting as dictators and thugs. Show me the democracy there.

No one has soul liberty when he is being forced to do something against his will.

The RCC doesn't care about contraception. If it cared it would do something about its own pedophiles holding positions in authority. If it cared it would take a just and equal stand on all Catholics who hold the same position on contraceptives. But there are more Catholics who agree with Aquino than there are that agree with the Pope. They can't discipline the whole church. They are not consistent; they are hypocritical.

 

It doesn't fall under the purview of that which warrants excommunication.

You are talking hypotheticals. If you were talking reality, then why doesn't the RCC excommunicate them. It won't happen and you know it. Like I have been saying consistently, they won't even excommunicate their own pedophiles.

What is wrong is inconsistency and hypocrisy. If they excommunicate this man then they must excommunicate more than half of all their membership (perhaps up to 90% of them). Are they willing to do this? A belief in contraceptives in know way falls under the purview of excommunication. In this you are being ridiculous.

Apples and oranges. First they aren't religious issues.
Second they aren't minor issues.
Third those are political issues which have consequences on the entire nation.

He does stand up for what he believes as do 90% of all Catholics who are never threatened with excommunication. Where is the consistency within the Catholic Church. Obviously this is the political club used by a religious thug who is trying to strong arm a leader of a nation. As a bishop he has no business in trying to run the government.

They are threatening him with the purpose of trying to stop him from passing a bill. Threats and intimidation are not Christianity. Where did Christ use such methods? Is this the type of Christianity that you practice in your life?

 

He is not promoting sin. He is promoting what they believe to be sin--a very controversial topic--one which most Catholics disagree with. If they threaten to excommunicate him on this trivial basis then be consistent and threaten to excommunicate about 90 percent of all Catholics in North America. Are the Catholics ready to take such a stand? No. All that they are doing in the Philippines are for political clout and/or gain. It has nothing to do with their religion. It is politics and nothing else. It has nothing to do with "sin."
If it had anything to do with sin, why don't they take care of the pedophiles in their own leadership? What is worse? Using a contraceptive or attacking and raping children? You say that the use of a contraceptive is worthy of excommunication but not the rapist of a child. Horrible!

Because it is not sin. It is a family decision on how they want to limit the size of their family according to their own financial restraints. Not all families can afford to raise 12-14 children. It would be sin to have that many children, fall into terrible debt, allow the children to be malnourished, and uneducated because of poverty. Some may even die as a result of not being able to wisely plan for the size of the family that the parents can afford to raise.
Whatever you believe on this subject the matter is a private one. It should not be dictated. The President's policy as to running the nation cannot be dictated by the RCC. That is wrong. The RCC is interfering in the politics of the nation. There must be a separation of church and state. The only separation here is that of intimidation and the action of Taliban-like methods.

Then it is not their business is it? The church has no business in the bedrooms of a married couple.

The good of the nation is the control of STD's such as AIDS, and raising the standard of living.
The logic is this. You cannot always catch the thief from stealing. But there are ways of limiting what he can steal. You can take affirmative action and limit the consequences of the wrongs of the criminal.

I don't condone any sin. We aren't talking of gambling.

Marriage has been legalized for some time now. It was God that legalized it. What man does in his bedroom is between him and God. He will give account to God not the RCC.

I don't promote sin.

 

Welcome to the board asmcreations.
I appreciate hearing your testimony how the Lord brought you ought of Catholicism into a true understanding of the gospel of Christ. It is so true that the Catholic Church masks salvation by putting on a false face.

The author in the OP did not use the word "taliban" to refer to any terrorist activity but only the bishops method of intimidation of getting what they wanted.

However, I agree with your statement: "it is up to the people to choose."
Good post. :thumbs: