Catholics Deny Christ

I suspect that Mary was thinking. . . I haven't got a clue what this angel is talking about, but . . . "be it done unto me according to thy word." She did say the perfect "yes" to the Lord.

 

AngelMom,

Sorry you find the Mum offensive. I meant no harm. Apparently from your antagonistic attitude toware me, the apology yesterday was not accepted. Sorry to hear that.

"I have know Catholics who do their 'required' Rosaries 'in vain' because they do it, so they can clear a record that they are getting ready to go out and dirty up again.


What required rosaries? The Church does not teach that any are required. You don't even have to pray it. That last line has me wondering if I should have apologized lately. Typical protestant sterotyping of Catholics. We don't say rosaries to clear a record so once again you are posting things that simply have no basis in fact of Catholilc teaching.

 

AngelMom,

***8"Anyway. I didn't start the 'vain repetitions' conversation. This thread was about praying to Mary. Remember? I posted verses to prove that we are to pray to God.

The vain one looked like it went well there***

You didn't start it?? Tell The verse does not say anythign about us just praying to God and you highlited the USE NOT VAIN REPETITIONS, (or does it automaitcally highlited in Protestant Bibles) part so if you weren't bringing up vain repetition then I am the easter bunny.

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

[ February 04, 2003, 11:25 AM: Message edited by: thessalonian ]

 

I am a living example that the premise of this thread (Catholics Deny Christ) is untrue. I am a Catholic and I do not deny Christ by asking Mary to pray to God for me. Jesus Christ is my Lord and my God. He is my Savior. Scripture teaches that no one can say, “Jesus is Lord” except by the Holy Spirit. 1 Cor 12:3 Catholics believe Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God and that we are sinners in need of Him as our Savior and Redeemer. The creed of the Church affirms Jesus is Lord. The Sacrifice of the Mass affirms that Jesus is Lord. Scripture teaches that one cannot claim Jesus is Lord and at the same time be denying Him. To believe Jesus Christ is the Lord is the work of the Holy Spirit.

God Bless

 

Welcome to the Board Kathryn.

 

venerate: To regard with reverential respect; to honor with mingled respect and awe; to reverence; to revere

Pray: To address earnest request to; to supplicate; to entreat; to implore; to beseech.

NOT the same. </font>[/QUOTE]Do you greatly respect some of your friends? Do you not entreat them? I do both of these things to some of my friends. But I don't worship them.

 

First off, you need to step down off your soap box!

I was BORN and RAISED Catholic. I KNEW people who did this. And don't try to tell me that you aren't told after confession to say 'hail mary's'. I have been there. Done them. Bought the t shirt! I do not have any 'protestant stereotypes'.

I accepted your apology just fine, but when you come back at me again, the fire works will start going off again.

I am not mad at you.

I disagree with you.

There is a difference.

Seriously. CHILL.

God Bless

 

A Hail Mary and a Rosary are not the same thing. The Hail Mary prayer is used in the Rosary, but it itself is not the Rosary.

Further, while penance is recommended (of course), no one forces you to do it. Penance is there, after you have been forgiven of your sins, to start immediately getting back on track with God. And I've never actually been assigned the Hail Mary as a penance; I've always received various other prayers. Good priests will assign prayers that are apropriate to the situation.

God bless,

Grant

 

I was BORN and RAISED Catholic. I KNEW people who did this. And don't try to tell me that you aren't told after confession to say 'hail mary's'. I have been there. Done them. Bought the t shirt! I do not have any 'protestant stereotypes'.

This is why every Catholic younger than 55 years of age needs to be recatechized in the United States.

Didn't you know that when the priest absolved you, you were forgiven? Any acts of penance (prayer, almsgiving, and fasting are the major three that we retain from Judaism - and which Jesus speaks of in his Sermon on the Mount) done thereafter have no effect upon whether the absolution takes place. Once the pastor forgives your sins by the authority Christ has given to his Church (Jn 20:21-23), they're forgiven.

 

I just saw this from Johnv

I have never prayed over my late husbands grave, and asked him to pray for me, since he is in heaven with Jesus. So I would think that would be most sick, and very much an insult to My Father God, for me to do that.

Why would I ask a dead man to go ask a Live King to do something for me. When I am humbled at His feet; I can ask the Lord myself.

Sherrie

 

Two thoughts:

1. is your husband really dead? "He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living"

2. Why do you ask other people to go ask the King to do something for you, when you "can ask the Lord myself"?

 

What we are hearing here and what is practiced are two different things. If you pray to Mary just as a mediator to Christ then why do you ask her to do things that only God should be able to do?

Where does it tell us that Mary can liberate us from evil? Where does the Bible ever mention her ability to persuade men?

Here is an excerpt from John Paul II's prayer to Mary. How is this mediation when he asks Mary to actually do those things, rather than asking her to "ask Jesus on his behalf?"

~Lorelei

 

You are right Brian. My late husband is in Heaven with God the Father; praising, and worshipping, and giving all the glory, to God in an endless time. He doe not hear me. He is fixed on God. God gave His Son all the Authority tho, to do so.

Thanks for that reminder.

Sherrie

 

So Sherrie, if 1. your husband is alive, and 2. you do not have a problem asking other alive people (here on earth) to pray for you, then I think you'd have to agree that the only issue there is with the concept of "praying to saints" is whether or not they can actually hear us. Would you agree with that?

 

Did either of you read the line?

It does not anywhere say Mary is the liberator of evil.

Read it again:

Be the Mother of our liberation from every evil

It says the Mother of our liberation from every evil. Who is that? Jesus Christ.

Way to not read, look for key words, and then post it as proof.

God bless,

Grant

 

Hi Lorelei,

You asked, "If you pray to Mary just as a mediator to Christ then why do you ask her to do things that only God should be able to do?

Because only God does them. In the same way, if I ask you to deliver me from evil by praying for me, and you pray for me, and I am delivered from evil, then I just have to ask you Lorelei:

Where does the Bible tell us that you can liberate us from evil?

Huh Lorie? Where?!

prayed for,

Carson