Catholics teach that only they go to Heaven

I think the pope is quite happy to remain outside Protestant thinking, and I am quite happy for him to stay out of it too, unless he repents.

 

There is NO salvation in the Roman Catholicism.

 

Rather than speculate on what the document says, let's read it for ourselves. Here it is, the body of the text is only 4 pages long.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...ith_doc_20070629_responsa-quaestiones_en.html

 

This is actually rather interesting...true that the Roman Catholic Church has always taught this....being that the Head of the church is Jesus our Lord...but it is also careful in saying that we (that is mankind) should not try to presume the mind of God who afterall is the only One who can read mans heart and mind.

I find this very consoling. After all you can be Catholic and hellbound....having the name tag of a Catholic, Christian or Callathumpian does not mean you go straight up, nor straight down...it is the relationship one has with the Divine that matters most....this is my understanding anyway:godisgood:

 

Everyone knows I oppose RC doctrine on a number of points and certainly it is true that historically the RCC has argued that BECAUSE there is no salvation outside the RCC -- the heretics among dissenting Catholics and Jews could not be saved.

But with Vatican II they changed to the point of "finding some non-Biblical means" for non-Catholics to go to heaven.

They still argue that the New Covenant is for Catholics and Catholics ALONE -- and that Protestants are saved only by some non-biblical made-up means that happens to work.

But at least they consider them to be saved.

in Christ,

Bob

 

............ah Bob but the poor RCC certainly took a bizarre turn at vatican 2......it is not possible for the RCC to upturn several hundreds of years of teaching because it thinks modernism is KEWL.....mind you I am a very conservative Catholic....who prays daily for the pope because by goodness gracious me he certainly NEEDS every pray to stand up to the current ecumenical modernistic madnessraying:

 

The Ecumenical Movement doesn't work against RCC, though RCC has not been a member of it, but just a observer.
I believe RCC works behind the Ecumenical.

RCC is dragging the biggest net in the world history to catch all the fishes in the world, and they will succeed superficially.

But the problem is that RCC doesn't guarantee the happiness to her members as the true happiness comes from the peace with God and the most of Catholicism is not consistent with the Words of God in the Bible.

The doctrines or any claim that the Salvation belongs to any denomination or any group of churches are absolutely wrong, because Salvation belongs to Individual Faith. This is why I didn't say "there is No salvation in RCC" but I said " there is NO Salvation in the Roman Catholicism"

 

BG - Well I agree that there are those who object to the turnaround the RCC did on some subjects in Vatican II.

But anytime the pre-VII subjects come up we always get hammered by RC proponents if it happens to be something that was changed in VII and they claim we should not present the topic as if the RCC still teaches it.

in Christ,

Bob

 

That's the typical attitude of RCC in the countries where the Catholics are not majority but the Protestants are majority, a strategic retreat of one step.

 

Re the OP - answer, no. Try reading Lumen Gentium (1965) upon which Dominus Jesu and the present papal pronouncements rest. Paragraphs 14 and 15 are particularly germane to this question.

 

Catechism of the Catholic Church 838

This is the Vatican's document.

The Vatican, at present, teaches that non-Catholic Christians will be saved with the church on the basis of their "imperfect communion" with the Catholic organization.

I agree with this. I do believe that there is salvation IN SPITE OF Roman Catholicism.

I believe Christians who believe Catholicism will be saved alongside Christians who do not by their following of Jesus Christ.

 

Nothing ever can change lest they admit they were once wrong! The chief dogma is they can never be wrong and this therefore traps them where they stand. At best they attempt to add to an ammendment to the dogmas, but must never flat out reject what they have already established as truth. They are bound by their very own curse they placed upon themselves when they claimed to be the final interpreting authority hearing directly from God Himself, claiming they could not ever possibly be wrong.

God Bless! :thumbs:

 

I believe that there can be salvation inside RCC not because of the Roman Catholicism, but because of the Bible in their hands or for some other opportunities to have fellowship with the Christian believers.

However, there is NO salvation in the Roman Catholicism itself.

For example, if a Catholic firmly believe in the Purgatory theory, then he believes that he will go to the Purgatory and expect he can get out of the Inferno by virtue of the prayers and alms-givings by his descendants.

As you know, his descendants would never do prayers and alms-giving enough to satisfy God and His standards. Nobody will get out of Purgatory by virtue of human alms-giving and prayers if any Purgatory exist, because Nothing but the Blood of Jesus can change the Spiritual status of any human being. Otherwise, Jesus didn't have to shed the Blood and die the cruel Death at the Cross. In this case he has to choose between Purgatory with Inferno and the Heaven.

If anyone believes that she should spend tens of thousand years at the purgatory, she can hardly expect the Lord Jesus is coming soon and the New Milennium will start soon and she will be there in the New Milennium, but she would expect to find herself in the Inferno instead of the New Milennium. In this case she should choose one between Purgatory or New Milennium.

That's only for Purgatory.

Prayers to the Dead, including the prayer to the Dead woman, Mary.
We are supposed to pray to the Father in the Heaven ( Mt 6:, but 1.3 billion people are praying to Mary. How can Mary accept the prayers from 1.3 billion people all around the world? She must have become Omni-Present, Omni-Scient to understand all the prayers in all languages.
While she was on this earth, she didn't know where her son was ( Luke 2:44-50), She wasted 3 days in finding him, then was rebuked by her son.
She couldn't understand what her son was talking about ! ( Luke 2:50)
That's why she came along with her unbelieving sons to Jesus(Mt 12:46-50), maybe because she wanted to tell Jesus that He should not preach any more as His reputation is getting worse.

How could the capacity of Mary become so much Omni-Present and Omni-Scient to understand all the prayers for all the problems of automobile, airplane, computers, houses, schools, medical problems and health matters all around the world? Her capacity must have exploded in the minds of the goddess worshippers! Can they still find the True God and pray to the Only God?

I doubt that anyone can still be saved while she or he still believe in the Catholicism such as Purgatory, Baptismal Regeneration, Prayer to Mary, Prayers to the dead, Immaculate Conception, etc, because they are also related to the wrong concept of Salvation.

How can people go to the Heaven while they themselves never believe that they would go to the Heaven, but believe that they go to the Inferno?

The Only thing that they will find is that Inferno is permanent because nobody can get out of there by any amount of alms-giving or any amount of prayers.

 

CMG, it is difficult to reconcile your quote from Unam Sanctum (1302) with the current controversial document, whose title is "RESPONSES TO SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE DOCTRINE OF THE CHURCH." The current document, for example, has this to say about the "separated churches": “It follows that these separated churches and Communities, though we believe they suffer from defects, are deprived neither of significance nor importance in the mystery of salvation. In fact the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as instruments of salvation, whose value derives from that fullness of grace and of truth which has been entrusted to the Catholic Church”.
While I would not pretend to know the minds of the authors of these two statements, we can understand from history that in 1302 the Reformation had not occurred. The only Christian church in the world was the Catholic Church. Therefore it was not a particularly great leap to say that outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation. (Hopefully, all posters on this board would agree that there is no salvation apart from Christ.)

Two hundred years later, the Reformation came along and there were many churches with different doctrines, all calling themselves "Christian." Whereas non-Catholic Christians were unknown and unthinkable in 1302, they are not today. For this reason, I don't think it is a contradiction in their doctrinal statements. Rather, they have modified Unam Sanctum to address the reality of other Christian churches all around them. Is it a change? Yes. Is it a reversal? No. It is like scientists modifying the laws of aerodynamics after the Wright Brothers showed us how to fly.