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Changing my mind?

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by NaasPreacher (C4K), Aug 6, 2004.

  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    I hope you know that is not what is meant by restoring the Republic and are just kidding. It means for the government to obey what the Constitution, amendments included, says.

    In the off chance that you actually believe that is what is meant by Michael Peroutka's "Restore the Republic" theme from his acceptance speech in June:

    "Finally, let me address our third theme – Restoring the Republic.

    Regrettably, millions of Americans have no idea that the form of government our founders bequeathed us was not a democracy but a Constitutional – Representative -- Republic. Even sadder – and a lot more dangerous – is the obvious fact that most of those running the three branches of our national government – both Democrats and Republicans – do not care that our founders gave us a Constitutional – Representative – Republic.

    A few weeks ago, comedian Jay Leno made a remark about the sinking situation in Iraq and the struggle to adopt (impose) an Iraqi constitution. Leno Said, "Why not just give them our Constitution…we're not using it anymore?"

    If Jay Leno can get this right, why can't we?

    If you have ever read the Constitution, and you've listened to my opponents, you know that neither Mr. Bush nor Mr. Kerry intend to be faithful to the plain text of the Constitution of the United States.

    Moreover, you also know that President Bush has recklessly committed hundreds of billions of dollars to programs that are beyond the delegated, enumerated functions of the federal government.

    You also know that the major media never seriously questions or investigates this illegality-- or expresses any moral outrage about this oath-breaking.

    Anyone who does complain about these outrages is patted on the head, or mocked as an extremist, and told that the Constitution is a living document that must change and adapt with the changing times.

    Beware America -- Beware this glib excuse for lawbreaking.

    My friend, Franklin Sanders, has written that "to say that the Constitution is a living document is to say that it is dead". He's right. To say that the Constitution evolves is to say that it is not fixed standard and is therefore, in his words, "dead as a hammer".

    If the Constitution is dead, it is because the meaning of its words have been crushed and broken by its murderers, and those who have killed it through "deconstruction" -- the redefining of the meaning of its words – have now become the Supreme Rulers of the Land."
     
  2. Ed Edwards

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    Go for it Bro.!

    Last election i knew that Bush would carry
    my state of Oklahoma. I voted for the
    Libertarian candidate. I don't think we
    should have a Kennedy Dynasty nor a
    Buch Dynasty nor any dynasty. [​IMG]
     
  3. church mouse guy

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    Never mind the awful things that the third parties stand for, just vote for them. Never mind if they win. Never mind if they do the awful things in their platforms. That's not how you preserve your nation, however.
     
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    "I don't think we
    should have a Kennedy Dynasty nor a
    Buch [sic] Dynasty nor any dynasty."

    Yes, that was a big problem for me when Quincy ran but I finally voted for him. Was also leary of FDR, a relative of TR. Of course, one wanted to oppose Taft for the same reason. Just kidding--I never had any trouble voting for Quincy.
     
  5. Ed Edwards

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    You should have
    had problems, you were over 18
    (the voting age now) but under 21 (the voting
    age then) :confused:
     
  6. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    So, I guess the only way to preserve your nation is to blindly vote Republican no matter what?
     
  7. KenH

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    Some of what you consider "awful things" by the minor parties some of us consider to be great things. And some of what you consider "great things" by the Demopublicans some of us consider to be awful things. :cool:
     
  8. church mouse guy

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    If you actually look at the platforms of the third parties, such as the Greens, the Libertarians, and the Constitutionites, you will find a lot of impractical ideas.

    If you look at the Democrat Party platform, you will find a prescription for more federal government and a continuation of Roe v. Wade, or legalized abortion.

    You just can't sit on the sidelines and complain. You have to support the GOP cause in order to give the GOP the political power to get the job done. We have had fifty years of gridlock.

    Get off the fence and go to work!
     
  9. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    I think that's what I am doing - leaning more and more towards the CP, at least for this election.
     
  10. KenH

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    I invite you to join me in Team America PAC ( www.teamamericapac.org ) and help to elect GOP conservative candidates that support protecting our borders, cmg.

    Another good conservative GOP candidate supporting group is the The Club for Growth ( www.clubforgrowth.org ). It also supplies funds to conservative candidates but it is not as solid on the stopping illegal aliens issue or the trade issue as Team America PAC is.

    So to repeat your own admonition back to you - get off the fence and go to work! As I have already been doing for a couple of months now. [​IMG]
     
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    C4K, you always did lean to Peroutka. For a long time, I thought you were a total Peroutka supporter. Never mind the looney stuff in his platform. [​IMG] The problem is that the GOP will not consider it a protest vote against them but just the splintering off of the far right--which is what it is when they want to declare the war in Iraq illegal and want to end foreign aid and want to abolish the winner-take-all system of counting electoral votes in a state.

    It is not a protest but a whimper. You would be better off to vote Democrat. John Kerry--I just found out--fought in Viet Nam--who knew? Other than abortion, he represents everything that you and Ken seem to want. Essentially, you are nothing but Bush-haters. C4K, you even want to use the federal police to censor churches--conservatives ones only, however.

    You can't say anything good about Peroutka because his platform is rotten and his lack of experience makes him unqualified.
     
  12. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Essentially, you are nothing but Bush-haters. C4K, you even want to use the federal police to censor churches--conservatives ones only, however.
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    There is some validity to your post - except for this quote. I don't want to reopen the church/policy debate, but remember, I called for the same policy for ALL churches - and it was not censorship.

    Please don't derail this thread. Go back to that one again if you need to .

    Thanks,
    Roger
     
  13. church mouse guy

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    I am not trying to derail this thread but to show you that you have some extreme positions such as the one on religious liberty, where your suggestion is impractical.

    Peroutka would be an immediate disaster as President. The markets would probably crash because businesses operating overseas would be abandoned with the collapse of most military alliances. Other nations would fall into the stone age without American foreign aid. States in the USA would be in disorder trying to certify a district vote in corrupt cities like Gary, IN, and East Chicago, IN. Peroutka would signal a retreat that would quickly turn into a rout.
     
  14. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Now your first paragraph has validity, your second, well... ;)
     
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    It would be like putting you in as center for the Indiana Pacers.
     
  16. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Now THAT's funny

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    Didn't Jesus have some
    words about the blind leading the blind?

    [​IMG]
     
  18. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    In other words, CMG:

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  19. Ed Edwards

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    tee hee

    Did I ever share with you Jesus' parable "the Sinner and the Republican"?

    BTW, come November i'll be dimpling
    my chad for Bush!! :eek:
     
  20. KenH

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    Hmmm...I am contributing my money and efforts to elect conservative GOP candidates and you think I am a "Bush-hater".

    I have learned through experience that one is better off supporting candidates, not parties.

    So, cmg, what are you doing to elect conservative GOP candidates?
     
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