Chief Justice Moore and the 10 Commandments

If you would like to vote in the Commandments poll by USA Today, click on the picture of Judge Roy Moore on the front page of www.USATODAY.com .

 

Go back and read the verse you posted again. I am not sure a biblical passage can be misquoted any further than you have done.

 

Jailminister, I think most of us here are getting sick of your holier-than-thou attitude. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean that their church has bad teachings, that they had bad education, that they are somehow "off-base", or that their salvation is in question. Repeatedly, in your posts, you insult others - often under a thin guise. Here's a quote from the other thread:

How can you "not" call him those things when you list the adjectives you'd like to apply to him right there?

Finally, you repeatedly ignore others' requests. The request for biblical proof that taking down the Ten Commandments monumnet would be wrong has fallen on deaf ears, apparently. I guess it's easier to insult others than to actually address their arguments.

 

Brett, Brett, Brett. I have addressed the issues. You just don't want to accept them. That is your choice. My "holier-than-thou" attitude is only your perception. Because a person has zeal and is willing to stand against wickedness, does not mean that they are "holier-than-thou". NOW GUT AND HAVE A GOOD DAY!!

 

Not if a law is passed to do so. </font>[/QUOTE]I know where you're going, but I think you miss something. Judicial rulings become law. It's called case law. In this scenario, a man has a government public religious display. A case is filed in objection to the display. If the court rules that the display is allowable, then they've just made a law that respects an establishment of religion. Thus, the only acceptible ruling is to ruling that the display is not allowable.

 

In light of our Baptist Distinctives, agreeing with the ruling is not wickedness. It is not sin. It is not evil. When one referrs to those who agree with the ruling as aligning with such, it is self righteous. I don't think this is your intention, but certainly you can see how it would come off as such.

 

Now, think about this one!! The very first set of commands written on stone---got smashed to "smith-er-renes! By Moses!

Now, God told him to write a second set! Still with me??

That's been how many centuries ago?? 60? 70?? Give or take a few centuries!! I have this strange funny feeling that the second set of stone commands---are crumbled to dust--eroded by the elements of time!!

Moore's stone in Montgomery?? How many centuries will it be good for?? Time will erode those stones, too!! In less than 100 years(1 century)--they will probably be unrecognizible to the eye!!

So, let me ask!! Which is more eternal?? The commands on stone on the Alabama State Capitol lawn---or the commands engraved in your hearts???? Which is the better testamony?? Which can go with Moore anywhere and everywhere he goes?? Can he "lug" the stone tablets in his car if he wants to go anywhere? Where will his wife sit??

Which set of commands are more eternal?? The ones on the capitol lawn?? or the ones graven in Moore's heart?? Moore is aiming the wrong set of commands at the enemy!!

The biggest testamony Judge Moore has---lies in his heart!

Blackbird

 

There's the zeal I like. You have a good day too!

 

Nope. It is not a government display as no taxpayer money was used in creating it or placing it in the rotunda. And no law was passed to place it there. And the chief justice of the State of Alabama is in charge of decorating the building.

I still want to know why these anti-religion groups are not going after all of the other displays in non-South States such as in the Pennsylvania Supreme Court building which show more than just the Ten Commandments; they also show artistic representations of Jesus
Christ?

 

Our heart, of course. That's where God wanted them in the first place, not in some display that is akin to public worship of them.

Interestingly, there are some other aspects to the display in question:

1 - The commandments are grouped numbered according to Protestant tradition. Roman Catholics group and number them differently. Jews also group and number them differently than Catholics and Protestants. So this display is a protestant-specific endorsement, not a general recognition of a higher power.

2 - Many contemporary Christians assert that, since the law is fulfilled, the Ten Commandments, while it applied to the Jews, do not apply to Christians, and as such, the display of such is an endorsement of Judaism, and Christians should be against it.

 

God's moral law as embodied in the Ten Commandments has always and continues to apply to all mankind.

 

Yes he did! Excellent as always, Alan (Keyes), not the other Alan (Combes), LOL!

 

I agree with you, of course, but many Christians say that it's part of the old covenant, so they don't apply to us per se. I happen to disagree with that thought.

 

8 1/2 of them are applicable to Christians-- which means they are instructed in the NT. The command to do no work on the 7th day is not so instructed, and there are verses (Romans 14:5, Colossians 2:16) making clear it is not a requirement. The command to not worship idols/images is repeated in the NT and, even expounded to mean regarding anything above God in priorities. But it is not forbidden to "make any likeness of anything," which would rule out photography, engineering drawing, computer icons...

 

This is just amazing to me. According to posts by many of you, you would have the Christian community lay down and let the world tell us how we can act in our relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ, how and when to pray, etc. Our rights to worship are slowly being eroded away right from under our noses and yet people who call themselves Christian are still keeping their heads in the sand. It started with not wanting us to pray in public places, then the removal of "God" in public places, now the stench of the homosexual lifestyle is slowly eating away at the institution of marriage, as prescribed by God,like a cancerous plague and now many of you actually agree with the removal of the Ten Commandments, not realizing that if they get their foot in this door we can pretty much say good-bye to any public display of God in this country. We are slowly being driven back to the caves and catacombs of old and you seem content with that. Overdramatization? Not at all. Compare our religious freedoms now to that of just 10 years ago. What do you think they will be like in another 10?
The Bible tells us that we are to obey the laws of the land until such times as those laws contradict the Bible. Jesus said, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." I think this order to remove the monument qualifies as a contradiction. How can a judge be wrong for displaying the same Commandments that was the foundation of the laws of this land? We want to say, "Well, if it stays that means the Koran can be displayed along with anything else." That stands true now because non-believing politicians in the past have relied upon their own judgement instead of the Word of God to decide what can be allowed into this God-blessed country. Try setting up a Christian church in an Islamic country, they'll shoot ya' where you stand. They know that if the truth is allowed to propagate in their borders, it will change their country. Just as letting in false teachings within our borders is changing ours. It's sad.

 

As a related side issue, the Law does not apply to Christians but the unregenerate:

1 Timothy 1:
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

The regenerate man lives by faith being led of the Spirit.

The Holy Spirit using the Word of God reproves the unregenerate of sin (yes, I know the timing of this reproval is debatable).

For this reason the Law must be preached to the unregenerate, by which conviction of sin is created in the heart in order for the grace of God through the gospel of Jesus Christ to be effectivly presented.

As criminals go through the court system, the 10 commandments they see engraved in these stone tablets are the only Word of God they have ever had presented to them and that in a context of retribution for their evil deeds.

Theology aside (Calvinism, arminianism, etc), conviction of sin is a necessary ingredient of salvation. (IMO) The commandments should be posted
in every court room in America to enhance the oath each criminal must take in his/her encounter with the due process of Law...

Do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth, SO HELP YOU GOD?

Personally, I am thankful for Judge Moore and his stand.

HankD

 

James Madison "We've staked the whole future of American civilization not on the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future ...upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God. The future and success of America is not in this Constitution, but in the laws of God upon which this Constitution is founded."

 

That's a great quote, but there is no proof that James Madison ever said that. That was talked about on another post. There are no kind of documents of any source showing this quote. Even the author who first mentioned it later said that he should have checked out his sources more clearly, as he could not confirm that Madison said this.