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Christ is, was and will always be sinless. Period!

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Dale-c, Jun 22, 2007.

  1. Dale-c

    Dale-c Active Member

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    The most disgusting thing about the "is Christ sinless" thread is that anyone would even consider to bring that up.

    Secondly it shows a really messed up view on things.

    People say that xyz is wrong so if Jesus MUST not have don't xyz.
    BUt then then when it is proven that Jesus did xyz then we are accused of saying that Jesus sinned.

    The proper and ONLY Christ honoring thing to do is to say whatever Christ does must be right!
     
  2. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    It has never been proven that Jesus did 'xyz'. It is only claimed by those that want to justify 'xyz.'
     
  3. Dale-c

    Dale-c Active Member

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    That is your opinion and for now that is fine.
    But just because we believe that Jesus did "xyz" does not mean that we believe in a Jesus who sinned.
     
  4. Martin

    Martin Active Member

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    ==Amen to that!! Christ is sinless. What does the Word of God say?

    "For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin" -Heb 4:15

    Jesus Christ "knew no sin" (2Cor 5:21). He was and is " holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners and exalted above the heavens" (Heb 7:26).

    Jesus Christ was and is totally sinless.

    Period.

    End of story.
     
  5. JerryL

    JerryL New Member

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    Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

    Just proven. Your saying drinking wine is a sin is opinion. Jesus was sinless. He drank wine. Wine drinking in moderation isn't sin.
     
  6. Diggin in da Word

    Diggin in da Word New Member

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    It does not say that Jesus drank wine. He came eating and drinking... but not wine.

    That has been shown already. Jesus refuted that when He stated, 'But wisdom is justified of all her children'
     
  7. npetreley

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    Yes, it couldn't be wine! Because wine is made from grapes, and grapes are gall. And grapes grow on vines, and vines are of Sodom. And vines grow in fields, and fields are of Gomorrah!!! Everyone run from the fields! They're evil, and they have evil vines with evil grapes!!

    Just so it doesn't lose visibility:

    28 For they are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them. 29 O that they were wise, that they understood this, that they would consider their latter end! 30 How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up?
    31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
    32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:
    33 THEIR [read it and weep - THEIR] wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.
     
  8. Diggin in da Word

    Diggin in da Word New Member

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    Matthew 11:18-19
    18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
    19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.


    People misread this passage and come to this false conclusion: "Jesus had to have drank alcoholic wine or they would not have said He did".

    If their statement is correct then the statement made by the pharisees about John the Baptist must be true too. He must have had a devil.

    It is quite obvious that neither accusation toward John the Baptist,nor toward our Lord is true. John did not have a devil, and Jesus did not drink alcoholic wine proving He could not have been a winebibber.

    The Pharisees were always trying to bring accusations against Jesus. In addition to the accusation of Him drinking alcoholic wine, they also accused him of breaking the sabbath when He healed the sick, and of blaspheming God by saying He was equal with God. Neither of these accusations were true since helping the sick on the sabbath does not fall under the category of work (Mark 3:3-5), and He was equal and co-eternal with the Father (John 1:1-18).

    The lesson to be learned here is Jesus was, and is the perfect, sinless Son of God. He proved to the Pharisees who He said He was. He did no sin, neither was guile found in His mouth.

    He did not sin, He could not partake of alcohol.
     
  9. Diggin in da Word

    Diggin in da Word New Member

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    That passage you keep quoting shows there are two different kinds of wine. That which God considers to be as the poison of dragons, and that which is God gives to men to make their hearts glad are two different wines. Fermented and non-fermented.
     
  10. Snitzelhoff

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    And there are two different kinds of grapes, vines, and fields, the kind that... oh, wait, no there aren't. Sorry.
     
  11. Diggin in da Word

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    It stands to reason, if you plant one vineyard to grow a non-alcoholic wine, and one vineyard to harvest the grapes in order to make an alcoholic wine, you indeed do have two different vineyards. One for the express purpose of grape juice, the other for that which God's Word declares to be evil.
     
  12. JerryL

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    He drank wine or they would have no reason to call Him a winebibber. If He drank non-alchoholic wine,(grapejuice) they would never even think to call Him a winebibber. Yep, He drank wine. Yet He was still sinless. Your whole arguement holds to the opinion that drinking wine is sin. It is not.
     
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  13. JerryL

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    Paul said to drink a little wine for your stomach's sake. Is he encouraging you to sin?
     
  14. HankD

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    Dear folks,

    Jesus said it's not what goes into a man's stomach that defiles him but what comes out of his heart.

    Personally I think it's ironic that these discussions concerning the use of alcoholic beverage and the almost inevitable end product of name-calling among the brethren bears witness to His words.

    Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

    HankD
     
  15. Diggin in da Word

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    No, Paul is not encouraging anyone to sin. He was speaking of a non-alcoholic wine, not alcoholic.
     
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    Diggin in da Word New Member

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    The Lord proved they were accusing Him falsely. Apparently you do not believe the Lord.
     
  17. Dale-c

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    Not again! Must everything turn into a wine debate?
     
  18. Diggin in da Word

    Diggin in da Word New Member

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    Must everyone ignore the clear teaching of the Word of God to abstain from alcohol?
     
  19. JerryL

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    No, it clearly teaches to abstain from drunkenness. Feel free to show me where it says to abstain from wine in moderate amounts if one so chooses? BTW, I don't drink, just being honest with Scripture.
     
  20. Diggin in da Word

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    If you were being honest with Scripture, you would abstain. You would also not accuse the Lord of drinking alcohol.
     
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