CHRIST: Sinless or not?

How could it be up for debate in a Baptist forum as to whether or not Christ is sinless?

 

I couldn't help but laugh as I was reading this post. I was just creating a *bleepin'* scenario. I promise I will read your suggested passages.

 

I don't think anyone has ever denied Christ's sinlessness.

 

I am not sure what Jesus said but He could possibly have used words that some may find offensive.
BUt we can rest assured that any words He used were totally right in the context and time that He spoke them.

Consider the following:

That term is obviously not wrong here but if I called out in anger falsely and called someone such, it would be breaking the 9th commandment.

So whether he "cussed" or not is beside the point. We KNOW that there was no filthy communication that came from His mouth nor were there any false witness.

 

He definitely used words that people found offensive. I don't mean "bad words", I mean what people heard when the words formed sentences.

 

Here is the point.

We believe Jesus drank real wine.

They believe that is a sin.
Since they believe drinking wine is a sin and we believe Jesus drank wine then WE believe that Jesus was NOT sinless.

Or so that is the reasoning.
It matters not that we say over and over again that we DO believe He was sinless.

 

FTR, I believe that Jesus was sinless. No doubt about it.

 

agreed
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So the issue here really is, that some here believe:

if Christ really drank wine, then he sinned and could not be sinless.

AND this is why the wine issue is so very important to some of our members.

Have I summed this up correctly?

 

With respect to our own salvation and life, who cares if they believe it's a sin? Would I drink wine in front of them? No, absolutely not. It's clear that this would be against their conscience, and that would be unbiblical and improper. But that doesn't mean I'm under any obligation to agree with them. I think Paul said it all very well here:

 

Let's put it this way:

Some say Jesus drank alcohol and condones it in the life of a Christian.

Some say Jesus did not drink alcohol and does not condone it in the life of a Christian.

Only one side can be right.

Which means... one is telling the truth, the other lying.

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. (Revelation 21:27)

So, one side is not going to enter that Kingdom spoken of in Revelation 21:27.

Can any of us truly afford to be wrong?

 

It is the OPINION of some that alcohol is inherently sinful...an opinion that is not necessary to be dogmatic about, and there is room within God's family to disagree.
Those who have the OPINION that alcohol is not inherently sinful do not believe Christ sinned in any way, and should not be accused of believing in a Jesus who sinned.
As far as believing Christ "properly"....I can only imagine who gets do define "properly". I think we're all pretty clearly jacked up and are not "proper" in our thoughts and actions. Rather with the help of the Holy Spirit we can pursue being like Jesus.
It is deceitful to turn this around and try and demonstrate that if you believe Jesus made/drank alcoholic wine than you don't believe in the "correct" Jesus.

 

See....we're all pretty jacked up.

 

Someone can be wrong without lying. This is the kind of thing that gets people riled up. Why can't we have a discussion about God's Word with it being two sides?

This is not a salvation issue.

Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.

 

I totally agree. It seems some would have it:

Believe that that Jesus Never Drank real wine and thou shalt be saved"

 

OK, so the difference is that some of us don't think that that it is a sin to have an occassional glass of wine. Some of us do choose not to drink because we believe in abstinance, but we believe the wine in the Bible was alcoholic when the term wine was mentioned. (low alcohol content, but still, it was there.)

That would mean that Jesus drank wine based on what we believe, but He was still sinless. He drank it as a beverage. He did not get drunk; he would not have abused it because that would have been outside the boundaries of it's use. He would not have done those things with food either.

This really is an interpretation of the Scripture. We are going to find scholars (good ones that are well known and honestly love the Lord) to back up both sides of this issue.