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Christian capitulation on science

Discussion in 'Creation vs. Evolution' started by church mouse guy, Sep 23, 2019.

  1. church mouse guy

    church mouse guy Well-Known Member
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    Galileo and Bacon may have laid the foundation for Christian withdrawal from science during the Enlightenment. Galileo probably saw the dark side of the organized Church and Bacon probably saw that there was no freedom of speech in England. We now know that evolution is scientifically impossible beyond a shadow of a doubt. Evolution has been defeated by schoolboy mathematics once and for all. And please note that some of the world-famous scientists who say evolution is impossible are secular. As for Christians, they look ridiculous for kowtowing to a false science but perhaps they saved themselves from a pogrom by the majority anti-Christs.

    But a closer look at what happened was posted by Dr. Terry Mortenson of Answers in Genesis in 2005:

    Two important people in the sixteenth century greatly influenced the development of old-earth thinking at the end of the eighteenth and beginning of the nineteenth centuries. Those two were Galileo Galilei and Sir Francis Bacon. As is well known, Galileo (1564–1642) was a proponent of Copernicus’s theory that the earth revolves around the sun, not vice versa. Initially the Roman Catholic Church leadership had no problem with this idea, but for various academic, political, and ecclesiastical reasons, in 1633 the pope changed his mind and forced Galileo to recant his belief in heliocentricity on threat of excommunication. But eventually heliocentricity became generally accepted and with that many Christians absorbed two lessons from the so-called ‘Galileo affair.’ One was from a statement of Galileo himself. He wrote, ‘The intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how to go to heaven, not how heaven goes.’3 In other words, the Bible teaches theology and morality, but not astronomy or science. The other closely related lesson was that the church will make big mistakes if it tries to tell scientists what to believe about the world.4

    Galileo’s contemporary in England, Francis Bacon (1561–1626), was a politician and philosopher who significantly influenced the development of modern science. He emphasized observation and experimentation as the best method for gaining true knowledge about the world. He also insisted that theory should be built only on the foundation of a wealth of carefully collected data. But although Bacon wrote explicitly of his belief in a recent, literal 6-day creation,5 he like Galileo insisted on not mixing the study of what he called the two books of God: creation and the Scriptures. He stated,

    But some of the moderns, however, have indulged in this folly, with such consummate carelessness, as to have endeavoured to found a natural philosophy on the first chapter of Genesis, the book of Job, and other passages of holy Scripture—‘seeking the dead among the living.’ And this folly is the more to be prevented and restrained, because, from the unsound admixture of things divine and human, there arises not merely a fantastic philosophy, but also a heretical religion.6

    As a result of the powerful influence of Galileo and Bacon, a strong bifurcation developed between the interpretation of creation (which became the task of scientists) and the interpretation of Scripture (which is the work of theologians and pastors). With the advent of the nineteenth century, the old-earth geologists, whether Christian or not, often referred to Bacon and Galileo’s dictums to silence the objections of the ‘Scriptural geologists,’ a group of Christian clergy and scientists writing from about 1820 to 1850 who raised biblical, geological, and philosophical arguments against old-earth theories and for the literal truth of Genesis—a literal six-day creation about 6,000 years ago and a global catastrophic flood at the time of Noah, which they believed was responsible for most of the geological record.7 The warning of the old-earth proponents was powerful in its effect on the minds of the public. The message was that defenders of a literal interpretation of Genesis regarding Creation, Noah’s flood, and the age of the earth were repeating the same mistake the Roman Catholic Church made three centuries earlier in relation to the nature of the solar system. And just look at how that retarded the progress of science and exposed the church to ridicule, said the old-earth advocates.

    https://answersingenesis.org/age-of...ical-naturalism-and-age-of-the-earth-related/
     
  2. Yeshua1

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    The scientific facts so called of modern science actually tends to far more support creationism and a younger earth model than evolution and billions of years old!
     
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    Thank you! Now that evolution has been disproven scientifically and the facts support a young earth, it will still be another generation before evolutionists become a minority. Evolutionists are like flat earthers. Actually, I good case can be made that evolutionists are either pagans or Hindus as the idea goes back to the ancient Greeks before Roman times and they probably borrowed it from the Hindus in the orient. What percentage of Evangelicals do you think believe in evolution? I am guessing that it is the majority. Norman Geisler defended evolution as scientific a year or so before his death and I imagine that he is typical of his generation on that point.

    The theory of biological evolution is not a modern idea as is often supposed. Organic evolution was first taught by the Greeks at least as early as the 7th century BC. Greek philosophers probably borrowed and adapted their evolutionary ideas from the Hindus, who believed that souls transformed from one animal to another until they reached a perfection state called nirvana. Charles Darwin allegedly made no contributions to the development of the theory of evolution by natural selection, but simply helped to popularize it. Evolutionists today argue that evolution is a modern idea (i.e. a product of scientific research), in part as an effort to lend credibility to their worldview.

    Evolutionary Naturalism: An Ancient Idea
     
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    ...assuming the evolution/deep-time paradigm changes in the next generation. I don't think they're going to let this go anytime soon.
     
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    I agree with you. They will not do the math. Even the secularists who disproved evolution still believe in deep time.
     
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    And deep-time really is the culprit that undermines the Gospel story.
     
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    Yeah, deep time dates from the Enlightenment in Europe in modern times. Probably from Hinduism in ancient times.

    Still Darwin published in 1859 and was disproved by science and mathematics beyond a shadow of doubt in 2019. It is a great victory to be rid of evolution forever world without end.
     
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