Christians arrested at Muslim festival in Michigan.

You're welcome.

If Americans don't wake up, it's going to get far worse as Muslims flood into America and other countries. Recently we witnessed to a Muslim Pakistani for the first time in our city in Japan. They're spreading around the world nowadays.

I was asked year before last to lecture on Islam at our pastors' fellowship by Japanese pastors. I knew somewhat about Islam before that, but my research really opened up my eyes. Islam is not a "peaceful" religion, but violence against any who do not convert to Islam is a routine part of their beliefs. Even a cursory study of the history of Islam reveals that in the early years it was spread by war into all of N. Africa, countries which until then were Christian. The Christians of those countries were either killed or forcibly converted.

At the end of my second lecture I said, "But God loves the Muslims. If you ever have the opportunity to witness to Muslims, don't hesitate," little knowing that I myself would be invited to a Muslim country. We can and should seek to reach them for Christ, but in the process we must be ready to be met with violence, as the Christians on the YouTube video were.

 

The Koran teaches that everyone in the world must become Muslim and every country Islam. That is a political statement. If a Muslim truly believes the Koran they will strive to make the world Muslim. Americans who don't believe this have not read the Koran.

 

Here's what the Koran says:

"So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)." Ishaq:324 "He said, 'Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'" (8:39)

 

The previous link to a YouTube video where the missionaries were assaulted by security was at last year's festival. This year, the missionaries were even more low key. They passed out no leaflets and approached no Muslims, but simply stood there and waited for Muslims to approach them. When this happened, they did their best to hold civil conversations with the Muslims.

What happened then is shocking. They were arrested and put in jail overnight! For what charge? The only charge possible is that they broke Islamic Sharia law by talking about Christ to Muslims--who actually approached them first! But the Dearborn Police Dept. isn't talking. The young lady was also arrested many feet away from the action--simply because she had a camera! The famed Thomas More Law Center is taking up the case. Check it out: http://www.thomasmore.org/default-sb_thomasmore.html?809429947

You who were impugning the motives of these believers who love Muslims for Christ's sake, where are you? Please answer. Were the Dearborn Police right to arrest these believers? If so, what will the charge be? Come on, don't slink away from this thread, but stand up for what you believe in...or at least stand up for your accusations of wrong motives attributed to the missionaries. Or perhaps you should admit you were wrong and withdraw the accusations. We're waiting.

 

Here is a good one.

http://www.worthynews.com/top/wnd-com-index-php-fa-PAGE-view-pageId-169353/

 

Thank you for your words in this John and your boldness. Keep it up brother. Many American brethren are quite uninformed and asleep on these matters.

 

Any efforts of True Christian to bring his Holy Word to those lost in the evil and deceptions of Islam should be commended not vilified.

 

You're welcome. If we can wake up just a few people on the BB here, maybe it will spread. Otherwise, I fully believe America is headed for France's current situation, with Muslims rioting in the streets.

 

We need not fear Muslims, but we do need to confront them for Christ's sake and America's sake.

 

I'm currently reading Too Hard for God? by C. R. Marsh, the autobiography of a missionary to the Algerians many years ago. He tells of finally seeing a small assembly of four believers in one village, saved out of Islam. Muslims can be won to Christ. However, of those four, two were poisoned and killed by Muslims, one other died, and another fell by the wayside.

How do you reach Muslims for Christ? By standing up to them and showing them the power of the Holy Spirit in your life, and your love for Christ no matter what, just like the missionaries in Dearborn Heights. Marsh faced violence over and over, but earned the right to preach Christ to the Kabyle villages of Algeria. He tells of going to one village, only to have a Muslim stick a knife in his back and say, "If you preach Christ here I will kill you." Marsh replied that it didn't matter, God had sent him and he had to preach Christ. The Muslim said, "Well all right then. I've tested you and you pass. Come tell us about Jesus!"

 

Are you serious? Since when is asking a Muslim if they want a Gospel of John and them handing them one disorderly conduct? When did we forfeit our freedom of speech and freedom of religion in America on a public street?

 

Yes, I am serious. But please read what I actually said, because what you apparently think I am serious about is something I never said.

I did not say that "asking a Muslim if they want a Gospel of John and them handing them one" is "disorderly conduct."

I said there are laws about the situation, and apparently (please notice that word) these people were outside the law. I don't know. (Please note that.) That's why I said "apparently." I know this has been an issue in past festivals. I am not defending the police, or attacking or impugning the people who were arrested. I don't know what happened.

I simply linked to a story and pointed out that the given charge was disorderly conduct.

 

No, because as I said, I don't know. Again, while this is only about 10-15 minutes from here, all I know is the news reports from both last year and this year.

So I am not defending the police or impugning the evangelists. I was simply linking to an article about it which reports that the arrest was for disorderly conduct. I haven't even seen the videos, so I am making no comment about any of that.

It may be, but that is something that must be handled in the courts. And it may or may not be unconstitutional. Limits on certain things have been established by the courts. Since I don't know the law, and am not a legal expert, I have no idea what the situation is.

So please don't misread what I am saying here.

And FYI, it's "Dearborn" not "Deerborne"

 

What I am surprised at is the appeal first to the law of the land.

What if it was against both law and constitution to preach the Gospel anywhere but in a church? Or what if, as some would have it, there were anti-conversion laws in America?

What then?

 

Let This Incident Serve NOTICE on ALL Believers, of What is Yet to Come...

... this is not a fluke. Our brothers and sisters in Europe and Canada already know about the division and possible legal problems that can take place between Muslims and Christians who try to witness to them. :tear:

This is truly going to be happening in more cities throughout these here United States of America.
The times are a changing, and we best get ready for those changes, or, you could end up behind bars too!!! :flower::tear:

Shalom,

Pastor Paul :type:

 

I didn't appeal first to the law of the land. In fact, I have made no appeal at all.

But to the point, we are told to obey the law, unless it requires us to disobey God. So, even if there was a law in Dearborn that prevented evangelism at this festival, we should obey it because we are not commanded to evangelize at a festival. We can do it (and should do it) elsewhere in the Muslim community. If the law forbade any kind of evangelism, then we must disobey it.

Then disobey it. But that is clearly not the case here.

Again, I am not defendign anything that happened. I don't know enough to do that. But on the face of the matter, a law against evangelizing in a certain place is not a law against evangelizing. We can obey God even while respecting that law in many cases.

So let's deal with facts and not emotion.