"Christian's Don't Sin" part 2

As usual, you have to turn tail and take a different route.

Do you know what "manifest" is at all? Have you read how they took Jesus up on the mountain and hang Him between the heavens and the earth. Have you read "for this cause, came I into the world"? What about "forthwith came blood and water?
What about what Amy G: posted? All this stuff does not add up and make sense!!

You can not have it both ways. You need to tell one story or the other. You can say that Noah had "holiness", then turn right around and say man can't have "holiness" without the blood of Christ. Jeepers.

(Which is it, does He see you sin or does He not, Does He only see the righteousness of Christ when He sees you, or does He actually see you sinning and is going to have to punish you for it??)

I can’t but you and DHK can apparently say it. You double amend DHK for saying it.

First God can't see you when you sin, He only sees the righteousness of Christ. Then that righteousness begins to get thinner and thinner, to where God begins to see you after all. I mean, this is one for the books. What a doozy.
You get so caught up in your own net, that all you can do is call me a "liar", as usual, another name.

BBob,

 

I know its not Scripture Bob, but in the 19th century Elisha A. Hoffman composed this hymn which puts across the truths that we are trying to explain to you. Perhaps you even sing it occasionally sing it in your church:

Christ our Redeemer died on the cross,
Died for the sinner, paid all his due.
All who receive Him need never fear,
Yes, He will pass, will pass over you.


Refrain


When I see the blood, when I see the blood,
When I see the blood, I will pass, I will pass over you.


Chiefest of sinners, Jesus will save;
As He has promised, so He will do;
Oh, sinner, hear Him, trust in His Word,
Then He will pass, will pass over you.


Refrain


Judgment is coming, all will be there.
Who have rejected, who have refused?
Oh, sinner, hasten, let Jesus in,
Oh, He will pass, will pass over you.


Refrain


O great compassion! O boundless love!
Jesus hath power, Jesus is true;
All who believe are safe from the storm,
Oh, He will pass, will pass over you.


Refrain

http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/w/h/e/whenisee.htm

 

You are talking about the OT Israelites who God let wander in the wilderness, until they all died, except two.

The blood did not save them, following the command of God saved them. It was the blood of an animal. Animal's blood don't save no one.

So, you do believe that God does not see the sin, if He does not look at it. That is terrible doctrine, do you think He chatises because of the blood of Christ. You need to think about what you are really saying.

No wonder the churches are filled with adulterers and pedophilers. It is being encouraged. If one is guilty of such, you all "work" with him and get him back on the right road, when you should do as Paul said, cast such a person from among you.
Clean up your house, set it in order, for you will give an account how you have kept the "house of the Lord".
You don't seem to realize but by telling someone they just "slipped" a little, you are doing that person a wrong. If he were told the truth, he might set his house in order and really get right with the Lord. If he continues on the way he is and settles down on the advice of you all, he will never get right and die and go to a devil's hell. You are not doing such a person a favor, or doing him right. He has to get right and believe from the heart, if he really wants the blood of Christ. He will never get it being a hypocrite.

1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1Cr 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

BBob,

 

Abosolutely nothing about covering your "future and contining sin". It is only saying that Jesus will save you, if you will believe. It is not saying He will give you a "get out of Jail free ticket, for sin". God's children are not adulterers, killers, pedophilers, rapists, theives etc. God's children are people you can trust to leave your children with, not a bunch of people who might molest them. Must be some congregation and meeting when you believe those next to you could be pedophilers?

"Go and sin no more", Go and sin no more. :BangHead:

BBob,

 

Jesus says that He will be looking at what you have done here on earth. I will take His word, of anyone else's.

1Cr 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.

Jhn 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

Jhn 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

My point is, if you commit grevious sins, you do not have the Holy Ghost or Jesus Christ within you.

Quit posting it both ways, if you do not want me to repeat it.

Where do you all get the doctrine that God "sees" your sin, but not in accordance with salvation!! If you sin, it is against you, regardless.

You can say you did not say it if you like, but you double amend it, and here it is.

BBob,

 

No, I do not believe they will.
The point was if they are a pedophiler, they are not indwelt with the Holy Ghost, for the Holy Ghost would have to go with them to commit the act.

BTW; the blood offerings was a shadow of things to come, but not the real thing and neither was the blood of animals.

BBob,

 

Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Are you saying that God offered a useless animal sacrifice?
God sacrificed an animal that would do no good? He was ignorant of the fact that it could not take away sin, or restore them to fellowship? Why then did God Himself make a blood sacrifice, kill an animal on behalf of Adam and Eve, if the sacrifice of animals was not important?

 

It is not what I say, nor what you say, but whatsoever sayeth the scripture.
It is what it is:

Hebrew 9:
8: The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10: Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11: But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12: Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13: For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15: And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16: For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17: For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18: Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19: For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20: Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21: Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22: And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23: It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24: For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26: For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27: And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

(It served its purpose, but was not the real thing. ) Only you would say that it was.

BBob,

 

It is easy to quote Scripture isn't it?
You quote it without explanation, and at the same time avoiding people's questions. It also makes you like you accuse God of doing and commanding people to do things for no purpose at all. Was God just being foolish in the OT, or did he have a purpose? I ask you again:

Is it too much to expect a "real" answer this time?

 

You mean you don't want a scripture answer??

Hebrew 9:
8: The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10: Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11: But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12: Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13: For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15: And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16: For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17: For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18: Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19: For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20: Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21: Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22: And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23: It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24: For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26: For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27: And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

(It served its purpose, but was not the real thing. ) Only you would say that it was.

No, salvation from the animal blood sacrifice, in some cases just staying their sin from year to year. I said it served its purpose, that God had for it. There is no more to say.

May be too deep for you though?


BBob,

 

Bob, if I wanted Scripture I can look at e-sword for free, and a number of other sites. Do you want the URL's you can look at them too. I could post the whole Bible here, but it would be a waste of bandwith. Posting Scripture without purpose does no good.
Are you unable to answer the questions I give you, and thus resort to posting a chapter of Scripture? We had an SDA that resorted to such tactics. Maybe you have joined up with them, I don't know. But you are evading questions.

God sacrificed an animal on behalf of the disobedience of Adam and Eve (Gen.3:21). According to you God Himself was being foolish and vain, because His sacrifice was all for nought. Why not explain the purpose of God's sacrifice in Genesis 3:21, the very first sacrifice in the Bible.

Let' see if you can stick to the topic here.
This is the third time that I am asking you to answer one simple question.

 

How many lies you feel necessary to tell at one time.
I gave a full and complete answer for the animal sacrifices. If you can not understand scripture, you might want to tell someone. Or have you went back to the Catholics, if so, ask the Pope.

You been blew out of the water and are grasping for straws as you slowly sink in the mire.

This is a debate forum of scripture and you as moderator do not want a scriptural answer, that speaks volumes, now doesn't it?

You are just blowing smoke now, and I am not interested.

BBob,

 

Let's make it simple Bob.
If I ask for your full name and address, will you quote me a Scripture?
I am not asking for a Scripture.
You are right, this is a debate forum where you are the one with a one-handed clap every time you post a verse. But that is not debate.
I have asked you now four times (with this post) to answer one question. You fail to do so. Why? Are you a Scripture copy and paste machine only??
I have a four year old grand-son that can do that. Wow! He is as intelligent as you, if that is your form of debate. As you say: "He can blow you out of the water because he knows how to copy, paste and post Scripture, and he is only four! Shall I match his skill to yours?

So what has happened to debate Bob?
I have asked you a simple question concerning Genesis 3:21. You refuse to answer it. Any reason why? Why not try again this time.

 

Do you and your grandson go to kindergarten together??



BBob,

 

For someone who claims they NEVER transgress God's law you sure do alot of it.

Luk 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

raying: