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Christmas Myth Destroyed

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Agent47, Aug 30, 2020.

  1. Agent47

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    It has always been secular contrary to right-wing garbage talking points
     
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    Yawn-yawn-yawn-
     
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    Hes always trolling something
     
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    You mean Jesus wasn't really BORN? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

    "That's heresy, Patrick!" -Donall and Conall ;)
     
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    One Hour, Eleven minutes and six seconds to make a point!

    Good grief, have even YOU watched the whole thing?
     
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    This is shorter and more fun to watch ...

     
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    You have survived the most ignorant presidency for four years of your life. What's an hour?
     
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    I'd do just that at the end of my wits
     
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    If you have no time to watch then you shouldn't have time to discuss the contents
     
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    You wouldn’t have the ability to recognize a stable genius if he tweeted at you

    peace to you
     
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    Since that wasn't a "yes", I will take it as a "no". :)
     
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    Sixteen years ... both Clinton and Obama ... but I didn't complain about it.
     
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    I just ignored Obama. I never listened to his speeches. I did not follow him in detail but only followed the news in general. The same with Clinton. Most Democrats are unfriendly people. Democrats just have no compassion. They always were the party of the plantation owners and still are. Look today at Pelosi--she violated all the laws in San Francisco concerning beauty salons and then said that it wasn't her fault. She is Speaker of the House and she should obey the law.
     
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    I have a new question for Agent - but so I do not Hijack - I have started a new thread

    Click here
     
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    Well, there is a war on Christmas and there is an international holocaust on Christians for several years. It is a mistake to tie Christians to Trump and therefore attack them because the real issue is that Christians are opposed to abortion because it is murder and the Democrats do not believe that abortion is murder. But I don't care what the non-Christian public does for Christmas. Germany and Russia both outlawed Christmas at various times and I am sure that China still does. As for Trump, he has been pro-Christian after 8 years of Obama's attacks on Christians and Trump has been pro-life. We know that Harris and Biden will go back to the Obama style of denigrating Christianity because Harris has shown no sign of friendliness towards all Americans regardless of their religious beliefs and Biden has been denied communion several times by the Catholic Church for his support for abortion.
     
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    CMG -- One quick point on abortion - Legally abortion - is NOT murder - as the SCOTUS has determined it to be legal. Granted - when it comes to morality - it then would be considered murder - to most anyways.and one last thing - Abortion is not just a religious issue ! How about these groups: "Atheists against Abortion" -- "Feminist for Life"

    Now, if you want to continue this discussion - start a new thread.
     
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    There you go again. Why don't you look at the video posted to start the thread?
     
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    I'm working my way through the video. I do see some weaknesses. The creator spent the first 10:20 on the history of the Macy's Christmas Day parade and department store Santas. The three more minutes of Fox News clips dealing with the "War on Christmas." I'm at the 14:58 mark right now. I'll get back with more later.
     
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    Comment on time 0:00 to 8:00.

    A pre-literate child living in NYC in 1924 whose only knowledge of Christmas comes from the Macy’s Parade is an asinine argument that Christmas has always been secular.
    • It ignores the 1928 Christmases that came before 1924, making 1924 a rather capricious starting point for making any point.
    • It ignores the Church and Sunday school that most families attended in 1924 making the hypothetical child in the example more myth than reality.
    • It ignores the cultural reality that most of our early education comes from our parents, especially the mother. This begs the question why the mother taught this mythical child that Christmas is the Macy’s Parade? Should we also conclude that families have never been Christian and have always relied on advertising to raise their children?
    Would you care to respond to the opening folly before I continue with the video?
     
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    Comment on 8:00 to 15:00

    The video presents the “War on Christmas” as a Fox News mythical construct ... like Santa Clause ... designed to sell their “product”. If there is no effort to remove Christianity and Christ from the “Holiday”, then why are places that have displayed “Christmas Mangers” for 50 or 100 years being forced by lawsuits and newly passed ordinances to remove them?

    The video denies the empirical reality of an increasingly hostile secular culture that is ever less tolerant of Christian values and beliefs. This Christmas, go to Walmart and shop for a Christmas Card. Count how many say “Merry Christmas” and how many say “Happy Holidays” or “Season’s Greetings”.
     
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