Christology

Correct. Pneuma Hagiosune

 

BGTF,

Would you say the followings as well should be believed, in order not to go to the Hell?

God the Father was crucified at the Cross.

God the Holy Spirit was crucified at the Cross.

Unbelieving the above statement is a heresy and will lead the Believers to go to the Hell.

Please confirm.

 

Are you denying that the Holy Spirit was in Jesus Christ when He died at the Cross?

Are you denying this verse?

Ac 20
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Are you denying that the God the Father was in Jesus Christ at the time of Crucifixion?


Heb 5:
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Was Jesus heard by the Son of God according to your theology?

Why are you denying your own theology when it comes to Patripassionism?

 

The original text of MT ( Masoretic Text) says " Jehovah ( Yehowah)".
Though there is some people of Modalism, I stay with God the Father.

You cannot say that is Son of God unless you claim Son of God was the Yehowah.

When you come to Jn 8:53-59, Jesus indicated Abraham saw His Days which means Abraham knew Jesus Himself. I believe it indicates Gen 18-19, and also 22:10, 15-17, where the Malack of Yehowah appeared. Gen 18 is the chapter where LORD appeared 2 other Malack ( not the Elohim for the angels). The Malack claimed He Himself is God ( Gen 31:11-13) and Jacob wrestled with a man and and confessed he saw God face to face but survived ( Gn 32:30) That man was the same Malack, I believe, which means Pre-enfleshment Jesus Christ. However, not directly Jehovah Himself was called Malack ( Special Envoy).

Therefore your claim that Gn 17:1 God was the Son of God is respectively rejected.

 

You are standing on the Modalism.

Read Exodus 23:20-23. Who is the angel ?

 

You are beside yourself.

 

Correct. But Jehovah=Jesus is one of the bases of the Modalism too.

Correct. Then how could you say that the Angel of Jehovah is the very person of Jehovah?

Or Read Isaiah 53:11
How come My righteous Servant is the same as Jehovah ?
Read Isaiah 53:10-12. Then do you think the person " I " and " He" are the same person?

It pleased Jehovah to bruise Him ( Jesus) ( 53:10)

Do you think the Bible is talking about One-Man-Show?

Where was the God the Father in OT if Jehovah was the Son of God?

 

Outside of 1 Cor 10:4, all references to the preincarnate Christ are speculative at best, despite what commentators venture.

 

It is good that you emphasize the deity of Jesus. But if you try to answer my question about Isa 53:10-12, equating He and I, then you will find a big problem with your theology.
No one prays God the Father shed the Blood at the Cross. or No one says God the Son heard the Cry of Eli Eli Lama Sabachtani from Jesus.

 

It is not a mere speculation that Jesus Christ worked in OT times.

He said Abraham saw His days which is stronger expression than he saw Jesus ( Jn 8:53-59), then Moses esteemed the reproach of Christ better than all the treasures of Egypt ( Heb 11:26), Heb writer compared similarity between Melchizedek and Son of God ( Heb 7), and Jacob confessed about His Redeemer (Gn 48:16). He also mentioned the Angel was God ( Gn 31:11-13)

Malack and Elohim are translated as angel or angels in English, and Malack appears over 210 times and among them, apparently about 50 times are used as theophanic angel, Special Envoy of God.

Ignorance of this truth was affected by RCC as well as they describe Christ as the baby born by Mary, the perpetual virgin.

 

1. I encourage you to use the scriptural data better than that, for you have just proven my point.

2. You have found yourself distorting Scripture for your own end. For example, what does Heb.7 have to do with the preincarnate Christ as a theophany in the OT? Heb. 7 does not support that?

3. What is the point of this data, for you're arguing nothing but data?

4. Demonstrate the preincarnate Christ conclusively from the scriptural data and then you can speak of "this truth."

 

I showed you the Bible verses. You are seeing, you see not, you are hearing you hear not. ( Mt 13:13)

You mentioned only 1 Cor 10:4, and said that other than that are just speculative at best. I mentioned Heb 11:26 and Jn 8:53-59 already.
How could Moses work for Christ?
Are they just speculative? Did Jesus say his speculation that Abraham saw His Days?

Then I told you the similarity between Melchizedek and Son of God.

Read it here:

1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Who can be on the Earth that has Neither mother nor father, nor beginning of the days, nor end of life, in the similitude of Son of God, and abideth a continual priest?

I can tell you this:

Heb 5:
10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. 11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing 12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

I have not found myself distorting Scripture, Sir. Where did I do that? You are distorting what I have not found, Sir.

You lack the knowledge of Bible quite a lot and therefore you stated such from the beginning Sir. Who could collect the Tithe from Abraham, and bless Abraham, give the Wine and Bread to him in the name of King of Salem, King of Righteousness?
What did Jesus point out when He said Abraham saw His days?

I have plenty of passages to show the Theopanic Angel. However, I would wait until you can digest what I showed you already. Otherwise, further information will become another waste.