Featured CIA torture report to be published on Monday without the word 'torture'

Doesn't take much research to figure out that all the leftie vs rightie game has accomplished is to allow a big ole unaccountable authoritarian government to form.

Neither side will admit their guys have done anything wrong but here we are, economy has been hollowed out, the NSA tracks and traces our every move, the POTUS and congress claim the authority to arrest us without charges and keep us locked up with no trial forever, execute American citizens without charges or a trial all based on "secret" evidence.

The thing the people who use the term "known terrorist" don't understand is that for this government (and media) all it takes to become a "known terrorist" is for one man to give another that label without even having to show proof! If you read the government reports on terrorism we're the "terrorist threat" it fears most.

 

I actually supported G.W the first time. I thought he was really a limited government anti nation building conservative. I admit it. I was neconned once.

I repeat ONCE. I didn't support G.W. after he went all neocon on us and doubled the size and scope of government and went on his nation building spree.

Then along comes Obama and what did he do? He neconned the lefties!

I tend to agree with Jonathan Gruber on one point. American voters are stupid. We have to be the most deceived and gullible people on this planet.

After all the warnings, after all the history of government's going bad we're still "sleep walking" our way to destruction.

No doubt we'll be blaming the other side for what we've all done to this country by allowing our petty differences to distract us from seeing what kind of people have captured our government.

Greedy, selfish, sociopaths and psychopaths who feel they are above the law.

But hey this greedy, selfish, sociopath is on my team that makes him a good egg so leave him alone!

 

The Nazis Used the Same “Enchanced Interrogation” Techniques the U.S. Did .. and Even CALLED IT the Same Thing

Nazis Called Their Torture “Enhanced Interrogation” Too

Just ran across an older piece documenting that the CIA and crew did the exact same things the Nazis did to torture people … and even called it the exact same thing.

The Nazis’ “enhanced interrogation” – just like America’s – included:

Sleep deprivation
Cold
Blows
Hard surfaces

Sadly, American officials apparently took a page from the Nazis … and the Communists.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/12/nazis-used-enchanced-interrogation-techniques-u-s-even-called-thing.html


The phrase "Verschärfte Vernehmung" is German for "enhanced interrogation". Other translations include "intensified interrogation" or "sharpened interrogation". It's a phrase that appears to have been concocted in 1937, to describe a form of torture that would leave no marks, and hence save the embarrassment pre-war Nazi officials were experiencing as their wounded torture victims ended up in court. The methods, as you can see above, are indistinguishable from those described as "enhanced interrogation techniques" by the president. As you can see from the Gestapo memo, moreover, the Nazis were adamant that their "enhanced interrogation techniques" would be carefully restricted and controlled, monitored by an elite professional staff, of the kind recommended by Charles Krauthammer, and strictly reserved for certain categories of prisoner. At least, that was the original plan.

http://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2007/05/-versch-auml-rfte-vernehmung/228158/#more

 

The hands were tied together closely with a cord on the back of the prisoner, raised then the body and hung the cord to a hook, which was attached into two meters height in a tree, so that the feet in air hung. The whole body weight rested thus at the joints bent to the rear. The minimum period of hanging up was a half hour. To remain there three hours hung up, was pretty often. This punishment was carried out at least twice weekly. (Roman crucifixion?)

This is how one detainee at Abu Ghraib died (combined with beating) as in the photograph above. The experience of enduring these stress positions has been described by Rush Limbaugh as no worse than frat-house hazings. Those who have gone through them disagree. They describe:

Dreadful pain in the shoulders and wrists were the results of this treatment. Only laboriously the lung could be supplied with the necessary oxygen. The heart worked in a racing speed. From all pores the sweat penetrated.

Yes, this is an account of someone who went through the "enhanced interrogation techniques" at Dachau.

Critics will no doubt say I am accusing the Bush administration of being Hitler. I'm not. There is no comparison between the political system in Germany in 1937 and the U.S. in 2007. What I am reporting is a simple empirical fact: the interrogation methods approved and defended by this president are not new. Many have been used in the past. The very phrase used by the president to describe torture-that-isn't-somehow-torture - "enhanced interrogation techniques" - is a term originally coined by the Nazis. The techniques are indistinguishable. The methods were clearly understood in 1948 as war-crimes. The punishment for them was death.

http://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2007/05/-versch-auml-rfte-vernehmung/228158/#more

One common form of crucifixion didn't involve a cross. A person was crucified with their hands over their head. This made it so difficult to breathe (once their strength had given out) that they were dead within an hour. Being crucified with arms outstretched was comparatively much worse.

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If you strenuously stretch out your arms, even while seated, you'll recognize the difficulty. It's easy to inhale with arms fully outstretched, but difficult to exhale again. The body needs to work its muscles to breathe in and out, and it is used to doing so with little resistance. Once the chest is fully expanded, it's impossible to breathe in anything more than sips of air.

http://io9.com/this-is-the-horrible-way-that-crucifixion-actually-kill-1477804826

Remember if anyone asks . . . it's not torture it's . . . "Verschärfte Vernehmung"

Torture: An Executive Summary

There’s a media storm regarding the Senate torture report … appropriately.

But much of the report was redacted by the CIA and White House.

Here’s what you need to know … http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2014/12/torture-an-executive-summary/

 

How do you know for sure those who endure these "Verschärfte Vernehmung" are terrorists?

The victims, by the way, were not in uniform. And the Nazis tried to argue, just as John Yoo did, that this made torturing them legit. The victims were paramilitary Norwegians, operating as an insurgency, against an occupying force. (AKA terrorists by today's standard) And the torturers had also interrogated some prisoners humanely. But the argument, deployed by Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and the Nazis before them, didn't wash with the court. Money quote:

As extenuating circumstances, Bruns had pleaded various incidents in which he had helped Norwegians, Schubert had pleaded difficulties at home, and Clemens had pointed to several hundred interrogations during which he had treated prisoners humanely.

The Court did not regard any of the above-mentioned circumstances as a sufficient reason for mitigating the punishment and found it necessary to act with the utmost severity. Each of the defendants was responsible for a series of incidents of torture, every one of which could, according to Art. 3 (a), (c) and (d) of the Provisional Decree of 4th May, 1945, be punished by the death sentence.

http://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2007/05/-versch-auml-rfte-vernehmung/228158/#more

 

You got that right.

Thought you guys were over there protecting us from this kind of tyranny?