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Cognitive Dissonance & 911

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Earth Wind and Fire, Dec 11, 2012.

  1. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    I bet you still believe the Syrian and Libyan rebels are all peaceful protesters being savaged by the evil Assad regime through no fault of their own huh? :laugh:

    If the government and media will conspire to keep our long term close working relationships with Islamic extremists and terrorists (through several administrations, R's & D's) quiet what else do you suppose they have conspired together to keep us from knowing?
     
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  2. Revmitchell

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    Uh no, never have. I believe one side is just as bad as the other. I do not want us to be in either area. We just cannot afford it. We need to bring everyone home, build up our military and protect ourselves within our own borders.

    It is clear however that there are chemical weapons in that area. But that is their problem. I do believe we need to back Israel up if the need should arise.
     
  3. Earth Wind and Fire

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    All Im telling you is that I know the people from both HIGH RISE & Joseph R. Loring Engineering in NYC.....these are big firms that are used to design & construct buildings both throughout the country & internationally. They are quite serious in what they are saying & now I will have to look into the assembly of companies all involved in refuting the initial government reports. But I am telling you this sincerely.....these people would not jeopardize their professional reputations if they did not feel it was necessary to reevaluate this whole tragedy. In your studies, look up some of these companies....I'm sure you will find them to be consummate professionals & VERY SERIOUS about what they do. And that is what concerns me.
     
  4. poncho

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    I'm afraid we just can't do that Rev. I agree with you and all but the thought of all those middle eastern and north African countries governing themselves is something we can't allow.

    Think of the cheap labor pools we'd be missing out on and those nationalized banks not under the control of Wall Street and the London central bankers. And the oil and the natural gas.

    No the pickins over there is just to rich to pass up.
     
  5. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Rev Mitchell says: "I do believe we need to back Israel up if the need should arise."

    Curious, how so.....IE, to what length would you back them up?
     
  6. Revmitchell

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    If they get attacked in a way that they cannot themselves handle. At that point exactly what that would look like would depend on what the needs were.
     
  7. poncho

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    Mods,

    Could we move this thread to the politics forum? I'd like to give pinoybaptis a chance to answer my question before this thread is closed. Evidently he needs more time.

    Thanx.
     
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  8. pinoybaptist

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    I don't have to answer anything from you, poncho.
    you called me out.
    in so many words you said I was blowing smoke on faces, etc., you practically called me a liar.
    You disrespected me.
    I called YOU out and asked you what were you going to do about this stuff you're yappin' about.
    If all you're gonna do is talk, then you are an agitator.
    With all that talk you're doing about the government being part and responsible for this whole conspiracy to murder people on American soil in the WTC, do you realize you're inciting to sedition ?
    So,what are you gonna do about it ?
    Sit on your hands and talk and talk and talk and wave your hands and jump up and down and get people all worked up ?
    I'm calling you out.
    Do you have the guts to actually stop talking and do some action ?
    No, you don't.
    I know your kind, seen you a lot back in the day.
    You're the kind who is good at getting people all worked up, but at the first sign of the fire truck and its water cannon, or the first sounds of riot police beating their batons on their shield, you're out of there.
    We could've discussed this nice and civil, but you set the tone.
    So I'm calling you out.
    Do you have what it takes to actually do something about this "evil government" ?
     
  9. carpro

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    To CTs, innuendo works a lot better than factual proof.
     
  10. saturneptune

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    Agree 100%. Those who make a difference between two sides of Muslims are totally missing the point of danger, and allowing for a wedge between the United States and Israel. We should totally withdraw all American interests from Muslim countries, whether it be governmental, private industry, or finances. While we should also withdraw from the UN and kick it off our soil, a first step should be all Muslim nations are denied membership.

    I also agree we should back Israel, not because of some theological theory, but because they are a reliable ally, and we have liberty and freedom in common. We have nothing in common with Muslims. They do not respect dignity or life. I do think we need a formal treaty between the US and Israel, as stated in the Constitution.
     
  11. OldRegular

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    Motive! Motive! Motive!

    I do not desire to derail this thread but there must be a motive for what is apparently implied by some regarding 9/11.

    I am in some respects a truther about Pearl Harbor. Americans need to really be motivated to vigorously engage in war. Just compare WWII with the Korean Police action and Viet Nam. The attack on Pearl Harbor enabled Roosevelt to enter the war against Germany with the people behind him. Was he pulling Stalins irons out of the fire? The war against Japan always took 2nd place to the war in Europe.

    Germany had no Navy except subs. He could not have mounted an attack against the US like Pearl Harbor. Germany and Japan had buddied up in 1940 so Germany declared war on the US on Dec. 11, 1941, after we declared war on Japan!
     
  12. saturneptune

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    That could well be, but I have always considered WW2 the last Constitutional war this nation fought. It followed the process of declaring war and doing what it took to win. Now, whether or not games were played by politicians for our entrance for their own gain like today, I do not know. I do know that WW2 threatened this nation more than any conflict since. I am hard pressed to think of any conflict since WW2 we needed to be involved in. I am hard pressed to understand why we are a member of and finance the UN.
     
  13. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Well my friend, you do have the advantage. time on your side to formulate motives. As time goes on & more evidence is accumulated, motives will be suggested...but most scientist's only deal with facts & leave theory to others.
     
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    Did you see the info I posted earlier in this thread about the muslims who were in the WTC a few days before 09/11 and the woman who helped them get TN driver's licenses got killed in a fiery crash? If explosive material (C-4?) were placed at strategic spots, would not that cause explosion and implosion coupled with the impact of jet fuel?
     
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    No I didn't......will have to look for it. Thanks!
     
  16. LadyEagle

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    Thank the Lord for Free Republic, who doesn't scrub their site!!!!

    Rest at FR. And this:

    Rest here - scroll down:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/703781/posts


    For the most part, national media attention, the 09/11 Commission, and Truthers have all overlooked all of these pieces to the puzzle, which seems to me to have been hushed up for the sake of political correctness.
     
  17. poncho

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    I know your kind to. You come out with all kinds of accusations saying you this and you that it's always you you you blah blah blah.

    You'll call people names, you'll accuse them of all kinds of things, of stirring up trouble, of being a danger to society, of stealing candy from babies whatever. Then when you get called out and asked to address the evidence instead of questioning people's character and motives and accusing people of everything you can think of you turn all red and throw a hissy fit and go into a dizzying circular argument about how you got wronged by someone that showed you for what you are.

    And all it took was one simple little question.

    We've all seen this a hundred times before. Big deal you can accuse people of things. You can demonize people. You can talk around in circles and jump up and down and act like you're the innocent victim of some imaginary crime that someone supposedly committed against you. About the only thing you cannot do is answer a simple question about well documented facts and evidence because you know that if and when you do your whole poorly crafted false narrative and thin veneer of credibility will fall apart.

    I know why you refuse to answer the question and so does everyone else here. You aren't fooling anyone except maybe yourself. I feel bad for your kind. You claim to be some kind of expert propagandist, a professional "agitpropster". That's hilarious :laugh:

    It seems the only person you can agitate is yourself. Do us all a favor propaganda man go learn yourself some new tricks, the old ones ain't working anymore. :wavey:
     
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    We never hear about the "dancing Israelis" anymore either.

    Remember the Israelis who were arrested by New Jersey Police on 9/11/01 as the attacks occurred? They were arrested, interrogated, held for 71 days and eventually all sent back to Israel under suspicous circumstances. Many researchers have documented this as evidence of Israeli complicity in the attacks. But did you know that the Israelis later sued numerous government employees for civil rights violations? This is not widely known.
     
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    I don't doubt that in time, certainly as Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire became more successful, the US would have been forced into War.

    I agree that WWII was the last Constitutional war we have been engaged in!
     
  20. poncho

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    What was the motivation of the Joint Chiefs in 1962 to pull off a false flag attack and fake terror campaign against the American people?

    They knew it would take a "New Pearl Harbor" to get the American people behind a war with Cuba.

    The more important question is who would benefit from a false flag attack on America in 2001?
     
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