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Colin Powell Endorses Barack Obama

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by JustChristian, Oct 19, 2008.

  1. rbell

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    Although you gotta admit...Powell didn't have to go too far to cross that line...he was practically standing on it. :laugh:

    Hey, the man can endorse whom he wants.
     
  2. steaver

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    Rom 11:29For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance.

    Now there be many pastors who are not gifted to be pastors nor called to be pastors but take it on for many personal reasons. However, those truly gifted and called are called to do so for life.
     
  3. steaver

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    What if innocent lives are being slaughtered, should we stand up and fight to stop it or just pray they don't suffer too much?
     
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    What does Jesus say on the way we are to treat others, our enemies included?
     
  5. Pastor Larry

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    Perhaps you are not aware, but not everything is black and white. There are shades of gray in some things. Pretending like everything is black and white doesn't make you more intelligent. Futhermore, people are inconsistent. So someone might be liberal on some things and conservative on others.
    I haven't missed the point at all. I don't know what God has in mind for Baldwin, though apparently it doesn't include the presidency. As I understand the call for pastors, it is to pray and minister the word (Acts 6:4), to rule well in in preaching and teaching (1 Tim 5:17), to be a man of character (1 Tim 3:1-7; Titus 1:6-9), and to care for the flock (Acts 20:28). I don't see in there "aspiring to run a country." Now, to be sure, there are bi-vocational pastors who have to do more than one thing. But the issue I have with Baldwin is really two fold: 1) He has mixed politics with the gospel, thereby demeaning the gospel. 2) He appears to be using the church as a fallback position when he doesn't get elected. IMO, if he thinks God is calling him to be president, then he should resign his church and follow another calling. Don't linger between two opinions. Make a decision.
    This is interesting. The economy is horrible here, perhaps the worst in the country. McCain has pulled out of Michigan and Obama will win most likely. Politics is a wierd thing, isn't it.
     
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    Increasingly is not where you normally see a person running for POTUS. They usually take every opportunity they can to get the free advertisement. Also, the month of sequestering while on the campaign trail still remains in many minds.

    Not to worry, this is the start of her national career and not the end. She has grown tremendously in my eyes and is definitely a center stage contender. We'll look back at this someday as when she got her wings clipped no matter if they win office or not.

     
  8. steaver

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    An innocent child is about to be murdered, by an enemy of course, and is begging you for help. You alone could stop it but you must kill the attacker in so doing. What would you do? Let the child die?

    Whom do I choose to love? If I let the child die I have shown hate towards the child for I could have saved the child and chose not to. If I kill the attacker (the evil one in this case) did I do it out of hate?

    Would not the action I took to kill the evil to save the innocent be seen as an act of love?

    I believe your reference to "loving thy enemies" as applied to my question is out of it's context. Give an answer to my questions here. Would you choose to hate the child and let the child die?
     
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    That was my first thought.
     
  10. LeBuick

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    You answered that like a true politician.... :thumbs:
     
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    G752 archisynagōgos är-khē-sü-nä'-gō-gos ruler of the synagogue, chief ruler of the synagogue
    G755 architriklinos är-khē-trē'-klē-nos governor of the feast, ruler of the feast
    G758 archōn ä'r-khōn ruler, prince, chief, magistrate, chief ruler
    G2232 hēgemōn hā-ge-mō'n governor, ruler, prince
    G2525 kathistēmi kä-thē'-stā-mē make, make ruler, ordain, be, appoint, conduct, set
    G2888 kosmokratōr ko-smo-krä'-tōr ruler
    G4173 politarchēs po-lē-tä'r-khās ruler of the city

    Hum????? If he were elected.......?

    If he were elected, I'm certain God would have his hand in preparing a person to fill the shepherd seat of his church.
     
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    Sarah Palin is at least AS qualified as Obama. Where does it say that slightly more than 143 days in office qualifies a candidate for the Presidency? People say it qualifies Obama...... Well, Palin is a fast study and has had more days in office than that!



    Neither have you offered any proof that it isn't.

    You've offered Noonan's "opinion", where is your "substantial evidence"?
     
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    This is one time I agree with Carpro. This nonsense about who is more qualified is ridiculous. How qualified was Reagan? Lincoln? Truman? Kennedy?

    Palin is much more qualified than Obama if that is what you want to compare. Four years ago today, Obama was a state senator, and four years later, is on the verge of being President. He has no executive experience. As far as Joe Biden goes, what does being in the Senate since I was a kid have to do with being President? He has experience making deals, raising taxes, helping lobbyists, and corporate thugs. What major legislation has he authored in 30+ years? In 1988, he seemed to have problems writing his own speeches.

    Of the four candidates, Palin is the only one that has a shread of honesty. No, she is not experienced like Biden or Obama on how to rip off the American people.
     
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    Thank you! I think.

    Many times the Jews tried to trap Jesus in a question and He would answer by asking them a question back and they would be silenced. He was a good politician as well I guess.
     
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    Amen! :thumbs:

    Everybody complains about the career politicians. They want fresh servants to step up and serve the country. Then when one does they cry "No political experience"!!

    ANYONE can lead this country IF they have God and live by His precepts. they don't need "experience", in fact, God probably prefers they don't!

    But, most voters are not Christians and do not consider God's will in these matters.
     
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    I am not sure what the point of all the pseudo-Greek is, and no doubt God is in control, but a man needs to decide what he wants to do. If Baldwin wants to be president, then resign his church and run. Don't use the church of Jesus Christ as a fallback to what you really want to do. On the other hand, if you want to pastor, then pastor and quit dabbling in politics and compromising the gospel by associating it with a political position.
     
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    I agree. That's why the unjust war in Iraq must end.
     
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    You apparently are unaware that the war is not killing innocent lives. It is terrorists who will run free and kill if the war ends in teh unwise way you want it to end. Everyone agrees it must end. But some such as yourself want it to end in a way that will cause more damage in the long run and hurt more innocent people.
     
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    Unjust in your opinion, but thousands of Iraqis are sure glad we came.

    Ending the war is a mute point now for it is already in the works to withdraw all troops. So it is basically over unless the IRAQI GOVERNMENT wants us to stay and continue helping them.

    In reality, the war ended years ago against the Iraqi regimen. It is now just a front in the overall war against terror. We have to fight them where ever they engage. Really it worked out good for us that all those terrorist were drawn into Iraq were they could be eliminated.

    Are you voting for Obama thinking he will end the war in Iraq and thus save thousands of innocent lives?
     
  20. JustChristian

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    Are you kidding? ALL wars kill innocent lives. Since we started it, we are responsible.
     
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