Comments on the Judgment Seat of Christ pt 2 Thread

Is winning a debate so important that one would resort to having his opponents arrested and locked up in jail so that they can not present their data? From my point of view, winning a debate, either by stealth or by the presentation of facts, is not nearly as important as a discussion focused on learning the truth.

 

You have nothing to gain, but very much to lose. Satan, on the other hand, is hoping for another victory through another false doctrine. One of his favorite tactics is to cause confusion and doubt about hell. The teaching of hell in the Bible is explicitly clear, but Satan has nonetheless found a small foothold in the metaphor that Jesus used in Matt. 5:26 due to the profound ignorance of foolish men who don’t know any better than to base a Bible doctrine on a metaphor rather than interpret a metaphor on the basis of plain language.

Matt. 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

Profoundly ignorant and foolish men have believed that they found in this verse the doctrine of purgatory, and other such men the doctrine of universalism. The doctrine of purgatory, being a doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church, held no promise for Satan among IFB believers, but it is such an important doctrine to him that he has clothed it in the new names of millennial exclusion and kingdom exclusion, and some IFB believers, having no education or discernment, are beginning to swallow the bait, threatening the respectability and believability of very IFB congregation in the entire world. And the threat does not stop with IFB congregations. Satan is no fool; he is our arch enemy, and we need to be aware of his tactics.

1 Pet. 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

 

Jim,

You know very well that I have always treated you in a polite and respectful manner, and I would appreciate it if you would reciprocate that courtesy and respect.

You know absolutely nothing about the extent of my knowledge of the doctrine of purgatory, and yet you criticize it rather than posting any examples of where my knowledge of purgatory is lacking.

No, they do not need you to warn them that the Baptist teaching about the doctrine of purgatory is false, for the Baptist teaching about the doctrine of purgatory is NOT false. Joey Faust’s teaching about purgatory, however, is false, and we all know that—well, except for a certain three or four of us!

Have you read Father F.X. Shouppe’s book on purgatory? It has been translated from the French into English and is published by Tan Books.

 

I am not the one who is making a zoo out of these Baptist forums.

 

You could have fooled me!

Where have you been, dude? If I answered it, by definition the answer was clear, logical, and Biblically sound. Besides that, Uncle Russ has been making me think so much that my mind is on over-load. And then I got a Personal Message from this guy’s wife—and I haven’t yet decided how to respond to it. It would be rude to ignore her, but I really don’t know what to say.

Nonetheless, I will be very glad to seriously and Biblically deal with any passage that you may like regarding the millennium as long as the passage is not from The Revelatilon. As I told your brother James, that book is out of the area of my expertise. I have fewer than 50 commentaries on that book, and I have never studied it in depth.

By the way, I do have Robert Govett’s 556 page commentary on Romans (along with 225 or so others).. Would you like to debate a verse in Romans?

No, Mr. Evans, I have not called you any of those things.

As I mention above, I have Govett’s commentary on Romans, as well as his Kingdom Studies. On page 281 of his commentary on Romans he writes regarding 8:1,

“The addition ‘who walk,’ &c, is not genuine. It is genuine in verse 4. But we may trace in several instances how the copyists put in or left out words where they thought the statements of inspiration were “incautious” and “unguarded” in their discoveries of Grace: 1 Cor. ix. 20.”

Robert Govett also believed that Christians are saved from the consequences of sin by the death of Christ, but saved from sin by their own death. In other words, Robert Govett’s view of the atonement of Christ was very inadequate.

I have the major works by all three of these authors on the topic of Bible bibliography, and I will check out these quotes and get back to you.

 

This quote is accurate, word for word. Cyril Barber made this comment in reference to R. Govett's Gospel Analogies and Other Sermons.

I have not been able to locate this quote. Wilbur Smith wrote a book, The Minister in His Study in which he suggests hundreds of books for inclusion in a minister’s library, but no books by R. Govett are included. This comment, if it is genuine, was apparently in Reference to R. Govett’s The Apocalypse: Expounded by Scripture. C. Spurgeon does not include this work in his catalog of commentaries on The Revelation.

Only one of R. Govett’s commentaries is mentioned by C. Spurgeon in his catalog of commentaries, that is, his commentary on Isaiah. About this work Spurgeon commented, “Scholarly and conscientious. The prophecy is interpreted literally.” I have not been able to locate the comment quoted by Lacy, although C. Barber also quotes it.

Dr. Cyril Barber lavishly praises several works by Robert Govett. Of Govett’s The Kingdom of God Future, however, Barber simply writes, “Contains messages covering a variety of themes dealing with the kingdom, from its present mystery form to its future consummation.”

Lacy, is Govett’s The Kingdom of God Future the same work as Govett’s Kingdom Studies? If not, C. Barber does not mention Govett’s Kingdom Studies and he may not even be aware of it.

I now need to study Robert Govett’s writings in detail and find out for myself just what he did and did not write.