Commit Suicide

If a person is a Christian they are a child of God no matter what they do, thus yes, he will be in heaven.

Suicide is a sin, but then so is gossip. We all sin and all are short of the mark God wants us to live, but we are always a child of the king and heaven bound no matter how far off the mark we get.

 

I don't know if he is in heaven or not. I will say that I don't believe that true Christians would commit suicide. God does not give people a spirit of hopelessness. Committing suicide is the height of hopelessness, IMO. In the end, it is God who will make the decision whether he goes to heaven or not.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I personally have a hard time understanding why a person who is a child of God and has full knowledge of God's power to bring them out of any situation would committ such a final act of sin....then on the other hand there are questions of mental health issues and chemical imbalances that may come in to play. Thank God we are not granted the power to decide who goes to Heaven and who does not!

 

If he was truly believed Jesus was his Savior, imo, he is with Him now.

From personal experience, which I won't go into for fear of being attacked, I KNOW that kind of hopelessness, and YES I was saved at the time. It is truly an act of God's intervention that I am still here.

 

It's impossible for me to comprehend a true Christian feeling such hopelessness that they would resort to suicide but if this man was a Christian, then he is in heaven.

Jesus said... John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

 

I am glad for those who have never experienced this hopelessness. But I am a true Christian and I KNOW what it feels like. It is also difficult to talk to anyone (especially your Christian friends) because that is the attitude they express. It was my non-Christian friends that were the most merciful to me in that period of my life.

And I want to praise the Lord for His miraculous love and compassion to me. He STILL loved me even though I was in an emotional hell. And with His intervention I am here to give Him ALL the glory in this situation.

 

God bless you, LorrieGrace. Thank you for that testimony.

 

People who commit suicide do not choose to die---none of us have a choice there!! We will die--one way or other, one day or other!!

Rather, they choose when and the method

While growing up in Baton Rouge---we'd read newpaper stories all the time of someone jumping off the Mississippi River bridge---or jumping off of the State Capital building(35 stories)---not much of a chance of survival in either case! I've got a preacher buddy of mine who is a retired BR fire department fire fighter---he served as chaplin---and there's no telling how many stories he's told---of rescue from the bridge or from the top of that building----

DeafPost---I feel sorry for your preacher acquaintance! Lots of times--folks who committ suicide have lost touch with the world---they have reached a point in their lives where they "believe" that the world around them doesn't care---the church don't care--the deacon doesn't care--the wife and kids don't care!

But they in all reality---do care!! Communication is the key!! Stay away from alcohol and drugs---anything that will alter the mind's process of clear and rational thinking! Surround yourself with friends---don't let your wife out of your sight!! Go on vacation with the kids---if they're grown and out of the house--go visit 'um---don't sit around and let them "beg" you to come visit!! Volunteer for something! Do like President Carter---go to work for Habitat for Humanity! Be a part of your state Baptist convention's Disaster Relief team---anything but idleness!!

Hang in there!

 

I'm not so sure that christians can't feel hopeless. People in the bible at times felt hopeless....just look at David and Elijah. Hopelessness doesn't nessecarily last long term tho and didn't last forever as we see with David and Elijah but its real nonetheless and I believe Christians can suffer from feelings of hopelessness at times. Christ says he has overcome the world....we know He has but we don't nessecarily feel or see the benefits from it at times, yet we know its real....indeed, we are not given a spirit of hopelessness....doesn't mean we can't feel hopeless tho...especially as it can be a direct attack from satan. God doesn't give us a spirit of hopelessness...satan sure tries to make people feel hopeless at times, IMO.

 

Suicide is a terrible thing. I've personally seen several victims of self-inflicted gunshots through the mouth. Very gruesome - it's often unbelievably traumatic for the person who discovers the victim.

As I've argued in several past threads - depression is real and can be every bit as bad as excrucuating ohysical pain. Suicide is usually an attempt at escape. It is obviously sinful - but does not keep a person from going to heaven. I recall an old gentleman in a church I used to attend - Addy was his name. He was 80 years old and had no real family. His wife and only child had died years before. He was diagnosed with incurable colon cancer. When the pastor would ask for prayers or testimonies he would get up and ask for prayer for himself, often weeping by the end of his testimony, saying, "I just want to go home." He was told his cancer was incurable but that he would likely live several more years with it.

One particularly painful day, in a moment of weakness, he loaded his .38 revolver and shot himself through the head.

More than anything I pity him for the loneliness and pain he lived with. I feel certain that while suicide was obviously a grievous mistake that God forgives him just as He has forgiven us for our wrongs.

 

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[ December 05, 2004, 01:15 AM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob ]

 

Did you get your posting from from http://www.asapnet.net/remnant/page2isoncesaved.htm ?

1 Cor. 3:12-15, “Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire , and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. If any man's work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved , yet so as through fire.”

 

Since when is having all the “right” answers a prerequisite for salvation?

 

gb93433, you beat me to the punch!

 

There are many good post here on this subject.
It is not listed as the unpardonable sin in the Bible.
As for depression, few would dispute that C.H. Spurgeon was one of the great preachers of the gospel of all time; yet suffered deep depression from time to time.
Having said that, for me, far more than the fear of dying, would be my concern of having to face the Lord Jesus having done it. I cannot say what the Lord would say at the point, but I fear that it would be along the lines of, "Why could you not trust Me? Did not I say that I will never leave you nor forsake you?"
Yes, that should be of far more concern than any problem down here.

 

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[ December 05, 2004, 07:37 AM: Message edited by: dianetavegia ]

 

Since when is having all the “right” answers a prerequisite for salvation? </font>[/QUOTE]Excellent response to an awfully judgmental statement. SealedEternal's first statement indicates a "works vs. grace" doctrine itself. ...can't have your cake and eat it, too.

I would say that about 1% of the post was in regards to suicide and the remainder of the post was a clip and paste from somebody's website regarding security of salvation--which is okay, but ten pages of proof is a little ridiculous for answering the question.

By the way, this is a Baptist Debate forum, not a non-denominational one.

 

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[ December 05, 2004, 01:21 AM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob ]