Commit Suicide

Oh, just to clarify, I don't think the moderators would have any problem if you said that Satan wasn't saved.

 

It is always good to cite the source of your information. If you do not then technically you are calling it your own when it is not, unless it is yours. Even then it is a good idea to give the citation.

 

Nobody can answer the question of what is required to qualify as a Baptist?

[I am leaving this post since the poster is obviously having difficulty with this. It is important for everyone and will answer it.]

[ December 05, 2004, 01:25 AM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob ]

 

[post snipped- non-baptist. BTW, continuing to defy the Moderator or worse, ME (Administrator) will earn you a suspension in posting privileges anywhere.

1/2 of the BB is open to ANYONE who is a Christian (as you claim to be) and you may post there freely. Please go to the Other Christians section.]

[ December 05, 2004, 01:41 AM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob ]

 

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[ December 05, 2004, 01:41 AM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob ]

 

I found it rather interesting that he calls himself non-denominational but the website for his church writes at http://www.asapnet.net/remnant/page21isanabaptist.html

"It is very important to understand that true Christians do not find their fundamental heritage in the Reformers, but in a group called the Anabaptists. The label "Anabaptist," coined by the Catholics and Protestants, was given to anyone who denied the regenerating work of infant baptism and the real presence of Christ at the Lord's Table. Although some called "Anabaptists" were not born-again Christians, those who were truly born-again, our brothers and sisters, would have been found under this label given to them by the Reformers and the Catholic Church.

Lutherans, Presbyterians, Reformed, and any present denomination that follows the Reformers teachings are unregenerate and need to be born again. The Reformers rallying cry, "By grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, according to the Scriptures alone, and for the glory of God alone," sounds fundamental to us, but what they really believed is revealed in their own writings and recorded history. Their gospel included the sacraments of baptism and the Lord's Table for the forgiveness of sins. Millions have rejected the bondage of the Catholic Church for the bondage of the Reformers. Multitudes of Anabaptists were tortured and murdered because of their refusal to accept the sacramental plan of salvation."

 

Posted by Dr. Bob: Did Jesus die for Satan's sin?

I don't believe He did.

Look at the human race as starting out as a tree. The roots(Adam and Eve) were rotten . The branches (us) are rotten as well. We have the cursed disease of sin and detachment from God. The human race as a whole are already condemned.

Jn. 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jn. 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

The bible doesn't say that the angels' of whom Satan is one, came from a single set of parents'. As far as we know they were individually created by God. (individual root system)

Man is affected by what our origional parents did and continue to suffer the effects of the curse placed on him in the Garden of Eden due to our common root system. Therefore Jesus died for the sin of all men. There is nothing a man can do except to excercise his choice as Adam did. To accept Christ(and be grafted into the second Adams root system) or reject Christ and continue to rot unto death.

The angels are not partakers of this type of salvation process because they were as far as we can tell created individually. If an angel sins he doesn't automatically affect the angel next to him. When 1/3 of the angels were talked into disobedience to God, the rest of them remained perfect.

Jesus died for the sin of all men because He is the only hope of any men being saved. In addition He died for the sin of the world. Satan and his angels sinned in heaven and were cast down.

There is only one sin that will keep men out of heaven.

The sin of unbelief!

 

A dear evangelical Presbyterian pastor whom I had known for years shot himself and died. I knew the man very well and because his theology was different from mine, we had some very deep conversations about the Bible and personal faith. Another dear friend of mine knew this pastor’s parents and knew the pastor since he was a little boy (over a period of about 40 years). Unfortunately, we had no contact with him during the last few month of his life. We believe that the man was saved and that his soul is now with Jesus.

Heb. 6:10. For God is not unjust so as to forget your work and the love which you have shown toward His name, in having ministered and in still ministering to the saints.
11. And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence so as to realize the full assurance of hope until the end,
12. so that you will not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises. (NASB, 1995)

 

I 100% believe suicide is a sin, but in His perfect justice, wisdom, & power, God knows every fact behind every suicide. As singing Cop said, there are many factors that could lead to suicide, especially involuntary ones such as mental illness, etc.

I also 100% believe that God will render perfect justice every time. His knowledge is full, His wisdom ultimate, His power unlimited.

 

I think it comes down to different levels of faith toward the various walks of life for each believer. It is possible to have faith and believe that Jesus died, was buried and rose from the dead, faithfully believing in Him for our salvation, while having little faith in other areas such as trials and tribulation.

 

I was initially afraid to post to this question but the Lord was convicting me to respond.

I just want to say thank you for the compassion many of you have shown about this tragedy. Also, the posters were very knowledgable in their posts.

 

LorrieGrace, perhaps God allowed the devil to tempt you with depression. However, you beat him with steady faith in JESUS. It appears you've come out of it a much-stronger person and Christian, having picked up & put on more of God's armor He has for the believer, making you more immune from anything ole Scratch can dish out. You know he'll keep trying, but when he does, just keep reminding him of the swimming hole he's gonna be in some day, remembering that YOU AND GOD ARE A MAJORITY in any fight with the devil.

 

If he was saved he'll be with God. There was a lady at a church I used to attend who killed herself. She shot herself I believe. Its a sad thing. I can't judge whether or not she really was saved. I can't imagine someone that knows Jesus Christ killing themself but then again she could have had a bad mental disorder. I've seen a few suicides with my job. Some poeple do not realize how final it is. You can not change it or make up for it. All we can do is hope that they are saved.

In Christ,

Brooks

 

I knew a Methodist minister whose wife was having headaches and she thought it was a brain tumor so she waded out into a pond and drowned herself.

[ December 05, 2004, 09:08 PM: Message edited by: dianetavegia ]

 

Several years ago, a friend of ours who was a part-time Baptist pastor had a feeling he needed to go home one afternoon. His 16-year-old son (who was an Honor Roll student, never involved in any drugs or anything like that) had blown his brains out.

When I was 11, my Baptist pastor dad was called early one Sunday morning by the landlord of my Sunday school teacher. When he and the police entered the apartment, my Sunday School teacher and her daughter (my age) had both been killed with a shot gun. It was a murder-suicide - the police were never sure which one did it. It was on my 11th birthday.

 

The 15 year old son of some friends back in Connecticut killed himself a few months ago just before he knew his mother would get home from work. He hung himself in the garage. He left a note saying he was 'afraid of life'. He was supposedly a Christian boy.

 

When I was a little boy my Sunday School teacher committed suicide. If it were not for the fact that my parents were such strong Christians and such good examples for me I may have seen this as a reason to reject Christianity. Instead I saw them, and their friends, and fellow church members as the examples and my Sunday School teacher as an exception to and an illustration of something gone wrong. I felt sorry for his family.

 

Several years ago, a man who lived nearby killed himself by placing the muzzle of a .30-06 in his mouth & working the trigger with his toe. This man had no known reason to have done this...no chemical use, his finances & family life were stable, no known illnesses, physical nor mental. He was 37 years old, owned his own business which was doung well, was affable and well-liked by all who knew him.

His family couldn't accept at the time his death was a suicide, and since they have some wealth, they hired a detective agency & an attorney to go over the case with modern technology & a fine-tooth comb. The rifle he used was still in a police evidence locker, and there was absolutely no one else's prints nor DNA upon it nor upon the bullets, including the discharged shell. The family was forced to accept it was a suicide, but to this day they don't know why.