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common sense conservatism

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by DeeJay, Nov 16, 2006.

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  1. DeeJay

    DeeJay New Member

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    #1 DeeJay, Nov 16, 2006
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    Gee, that's what Bush ran under. I'm glad to hear that you don't support him
     
    #2 StraightAndNarrow, Nov 17, 2006
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    I know what he ran under. And I have made it very clear that I have alot of disagreement with GWB.

    Mostly he is not a conservative. I would not say I dont support him though. Some policys I like and some I do not.
     
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    McCain is certainly no limited government conservative. No limited government conservative would want to shut down political speech as he did in his McCain-Feingold law.
     
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    Ya, that was my point. I find it interesting how conservative he can sound when he delivers a speach to the Federalist Society. Another politition trying to convince people he is everything they want him to be, for their vote.


    "Vote for me, and all your wildest dreams will come true."
    -Pedro
     
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    KenH Well-Known Member

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    You know what it truly sad, DeeJay? We really can't simply talk about conservatives as a single group nowadays. Nowadays we have to distinguish between limited government conservatives and big government conservatives.

    The defining characteristic of being a conservative should be basically that of being for limited government in all areas. It shows how pervasive socialism is in our society that that isn't the case.
     
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    Not so fast Ken, there are two ways to be conservative. Fiscal and social.
    I find it ironic that you (Libertarian, I think) are critisizing somebody for only holding to one type of conservatisem.

    Fiscal conservatives.

    Social conservatives, only

    Correct me if I am wrong but Libertarians are fiscal conservatives but not social conservatives.
     
    #7 DeeJay, Nov 18, 2006
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    Libertarians are for limited governement in all areas. They are true, consistent conservatives.
     
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    Interesting. I guess it is where you draw the limit in "Limited" that makes the difference between a Libertarian and a social conservative. If the Libertarians would add right to life to the limits of goverment, they could sign me up.
     
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    Cool, I hope this is what the Libertarian Party is moving toward and not just a small wing of the party. I have heard of Christian Libertarians before, specificly Vox Day.

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/
     
    #11 DeeJay, Nov 18, 2006
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    I've been wondering about all of this.
    "Big Government" conservatives are supposed to be the "neo"-conservatives, right?
    So then are linertarians supposed to be the "true" or "paleo" conservatives? If not, what is the difference between paleo- and libertarian?
     
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    I could be wrong, but I think that paleo-conservatives want to use the power of the state to enforce what they consider to be appropriate private individual behavior. Libertarians, of course, do not.
     
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    I thought those were the neo-conservatives.
    I didn't read your l4l site, but does that movement try to move the government to outlaw abortion; with that as the only legitimate issue govt. should enforce since it is human life? I'm thinking that that might be what paleo-conservativism is, while 'true' secular libertarianism doesn't really care so much about it. (fiscally conservative, libertarian socially only).
     
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    You know what, I think there are more God-haters than God-fearers in America now, and that our days are seriously numbered unless a huge revival breaks out. The only way Bush got in was to get enough God-haters to vote for him, because if he only went after the God-fearers, I'm afraid he would have lost big time. That is my opinion.
     
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    That was simply not the case. Bush got in on the support of the conservative christian vote.
     
    #16 StraightAndNarrow, Nov 20, 2006
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