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Communism Is Not Dead!

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Revmitchell, Mar 1, 2008.

  1. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
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    China exports cheap junk to the world. It takes advantage of the free market of the world while maintaining the opposite in country. A rather hypocriticle situation.
     
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    What we do not want to do is look to what currently comes from a public purse to justify every whimm on earth. It is a false ideology that medical system is failing because the free market ruins it. The same people that want socialized medicine protect the very thing that ruins our medical care. Trial lawyers who make something out of nothing to get a paycheck. Insurance comapnies will pay out settlements even when they see no wrong doing because the dishones trial lawyers will drag them through more costs in a court battle. The trial lawyers know what they are doing but it is the greed of the left and the goal to ruin the current system to usher in socialized medicine.
     
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    That's correct and a great response!
     
  4. Dagwood

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    Somethings operate better under a socialistic system, and I believe that medicine is one of these things.
     
  5. Bro. Curtis

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    :laugh:

    Yeah, once you kill the Christians, the homosexuals, the educated, and the non-desireables (Terry Schiavo), the rest are easy to care for......
     
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    I share your opposition to bailing out people and especially companies going down in the home mortgage crisis. Many of them were purely speculating that house prices would go up forever. However, I've seen too many deserving people suffer or die due to a lack of medical insurance. Do you actually want people to die because they can't afford medical insurance? This is going to get a lot worse when Medicare goes belly up and more employers withdraw retirement medical. Should Christians let people die unnecessarily? Does the Bible support this kind of a position? Would Christ support this position?
     
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    Does the bible support socialized medicine ? Would Christ ? Chapter & verse, please.
     
  8. Revmitchell

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    First no one currently running for the office of President is actually suggesting socialized medicine. It would be an impossibility to turn our medical system over to a socialized system. It would require Doctors to be paid by the state, hosptials to be financed by the state, doctors offices to be financed by the state. American doctors would find something else to do. Moving in this direction in this country would completely destroy it.

    What is being proposed right now is forced or criminalized health care. In other words they want to make it a law that you by your own health care. This health care is not even close to socialized health care. It is a contrived illusion of doing something. We will be told that we must take part in the market or else we will come to your house and take you to jail. It is complete idiocy.
     
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    I am beginning to be convinced of the same, Dagwood.
     
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    We'll see tomorrow. The Clinton machine has been working overtime, and the revelation that he was perhaps not truthful about his econ adviser meeting with the Canadians could damage his cred in Ohio.

    You said you witnessed SS being helpful to your parents. I'm glad. But I know many in my family (and in churches I have served) who would say just the opposite. These include my own parents, who have had SS for over 25 years. I watched them have to fight for it and almost seek legal counsel - twice. I saw them have to justify earning it - twice. I saw them almost lose it because the govt "decided" my disabled father wasn't disabled enough - whatever the heck that means. I saw govt psychologists put him through the ringer, bringing a proud man to tears. I saw him verbally abused by SS employees. Were it not for the genrosity of the company he retired from, their church, & the brotherhood of his union, his retirement would've been spent in poverty. All of this, courtesy of Big Brother. No thank you.
     
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    Yeah, his campaign staff should have informed him of the existence of the meeting. I bet someone(s) on the staff got a big chewing out over this.
     
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    Please rethink this, Ken! Take a look at the historical record of all the great soalistic experiments and your should be convinced the chances are next to none that any future result would be anything else. The alternatives - our great experiment - isn't always perfect in outcome but it comes the closest of any and each person at least has the ability to make a difference for themselves.
     
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    Social security has an extremely poor return on investment! In fact, it has no real present value. It can be passed along as part of an estate. It's just another scheme to take money from some people and give it to others. It's not a reward for your hard work and good decisions nor is it a penalty for your poor work and bad decisions. It's something that can be taken away from you, taxed some more if you get "too much", and limited to what someone else thinks you need. I'd gladly take this 15% tax and make my own decisons.
     
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    And that is the best way to avoid questions.
    Not sure who "SN" is, but if this was directed at me: with respect to my "obsession" with you, that is a vast exaggeration on your part.

    Of course, if I am on your ignore list, I won't expect a reply.....

    It is quite clear, Revmitchell, that you really don't have a grasp of the terms you throw about in this forum. You have never given us any examples of statements by anyone in the political arena who have espoused the writings/beliefs of Marx (other than the Communist Party website that you were so reluctant to provide for us). Despite this, you continue to begin discussions about these "ism's" - not really sure why you do this.
     
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    While we are at it, also provide the Biblical support for the FCC, the FAA, the FDC, and even FEMA.

    Regards Bro. Curtis,
    BiR
     
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    I'm not talking about socialized medicine per se. I suppose you'd claim that we have socialized schools and socialized police and fire protection, right? We certainly have a socialized military.

    I'd much prefer that churches take care of the poor including medical care. I simply don't think that's possible. Could your church and the other churches in your town afford to do this? Would you do if if you could afford to do so? Quote me scripture that says Christ's church should ignore the needs of the poor and needy.
     
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    The health insurance through Guidestone (the old annuity board of the SBC) for ministers and their families even turns ministers away who aren't in good health (translation: you better not have any moderately significant pre-existing condition).
     
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    Now you are completely changing the subject. This thread is about communism, not the church's role.
     
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