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Confession and Forgiveness

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by adisciplinedlearner, Jul 23, 2010.

  1. adisciplinedlearner

    adisciplinedlearner New Member

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    I John [9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive
    us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


    There can be no cleansing without forgiveness, and there can be no
    forgiveness without confession. It simply is not true that all of our
    past, present, and future sins were forgiven when we first became
    Christians.
     
  2. DHK

    DHK <b>Moderator</b>

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    John says "we". The verse is for Christians only, unless of course you consider the Apostle John an unsaved person. Is that your position?
     
  3. adisciplinedlearner

    adisciplinedlearner New Member

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    Paul makes a direct reference concerning the forgiveness of sins in Romans 3:24, 25. "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God."

    It is only if we confess our sins that He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins.1 Jn.1:9. No promise of forgiveness can be found for those that are unrepentant. To say that all future sins are covered when we first believe is a theological assumption and not a Biblical fact.

    ~ Author Unknown
     
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    adisciplinedlearner New Member

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    I believe John---the Apostle of Love---was a true Christian.
     
  5. Dr. Walter

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    Your syllogism is defective for several reasons. Even you must admit that the propitiation of Christ was for ALL our sins or else there is no forgiveness for ANY of our sins as they were ALL yet future from the cross.

    The fact that Christ died for our sins 2000 years ago with ALL of our sins yet future, if He died for any He had to die for ALL. The other problem you have is then ANY SIN - whether omission or commission separates a person from Christ if he happen to die before he could pray.

    Second, because of your view of justification by works you fail to distinguish between judicial cleansng and forgiveness for ALL our sins and EXPERIENTIAL application of cleansing.

    Third, the Scriptures directy contradict you in the very definition of even what you admit must refer to INITIAL justification:


    Rom. 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
    8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.


    Even what you call "initial" justification takes care of the PRESENT sins when justified (v. 7 "are") as well as the future sins which the Lord "WILL" not impute sin unto.
     
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  6. DHK

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    Then 1John 1:9 is not referring to salvation--the point at which sins are forgiven: past, present and future, is it?
     
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    Past what? Before Jesus shed blood on the cross what did they do in the PAST to cover sins that could NEVER take away sins?
     
  8. Jedi Knight

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    Waiting....tick tock..tick tock.
     
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