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Congress Bans Internet Gambling

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by KenH, Sep 30, 2006.

  1. tinytim

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    I Bet it won't last long.... :laugh:
     
  2. KenH

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    You are welcome. :smilewinkgrin:
     
  3. Joseph_Botwinick

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    I was really interested in learning more about your plan for stopping parents from blowing their entire paycheck on gambling while their children starved. It is too bad that you don't have a plan or even enough concern for these children to think through it and at least try to come up with one.

    The problem with your vague non-idea so far is that it is hinged on the idea that we don't live in a fallen world, and instead, have Churches filled to the brim with regenerated holy Spirit filled Christians who are willing to support thousands of families for generations who have a parent who gambles their money away while the children starve. It doesn't exist in this world. It only exists in the utopia of your mind.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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  4. KenH

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    Nice to see that we can find common ground. :smilewinkgrin:
     
  5. KenH

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    If you think that this silly law that the government just passed is going to really help one child, then you are living in a dream world. All this silly law will do is give Leviathan more power to meddle without doing any good.

    Since it won't work, what is your plan to accomplish this goal?
     
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    You havent offered any proof it will not work.
     
  7. Joseph_Botwinick

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    It certainly isn't to encourage and give a rubber stamp to the immoral behavior by making it legal.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  8. KenH

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    Well, I offer the failure of the "war on drugs" and the failure of the "war on poverty" that have been going on for about 40 years now and are no closer to "victory" than they were when they were started.
     
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    Gambling is not a sin.
     
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    I would say that a victory is not possible. However the lack of them would leave many more victims then we have now.

    Anyhow the war on poverty isnt about ending poverty it is about the forcing of a communist agenda.
     
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    These war efforts have failed for the same reason Israel failed to accomplish any of its objectives in Lebanon...they didn't really fight it to win it.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  12. KenH

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    I challenge you to prove it.
     
  13. KenH

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    I disagree. Israel could have won because military power could have carried the day.

    There is no way to end poverty or to end drug use.
     
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    Of course there is, if we are serious and persistent enough. The only way to guarantee a loss is to give up.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  15. KenH

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    History has proven otherwise, Joseph. Even if it was possible, I wouldn't want the government to have that much power over individual rights and liberties.

    I have enjoyed this debate with ya'll. It's time for me to go on to other activities this Sunday
    afternoon. :)
     
  16. Joseph_Botwinick

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    History proves nothing against my point. We haven't given up yet. When we do, history will still prove my point correct because it is more logical. The only sure way to guarantee defeat is to give up.

    BTW, I understand they need an assistant coach at this high school in Michigan. I think your philosophy would make you a perfect candidate for the job:

    Link :laugh:

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    Question for all:

    Should prostitution be legal?
     
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    No. Question for you: What does this have to do with starving children of gamblers?

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    To argue from extremes never resolved anything. I think there is a level medium in social responsibility on the part of governments. The people somewhat abbrogated their responsibilities in society, and often the government is forced to do something to help those who cannot help themselves.

    Pastor a church for a few years, and face those 3:AM calls to domestic disputes, and you soon change your philosophy regarding helping people.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    That would put a lot of hard working hookers out of business!! :applause:

    Seriously though, truck drivers, airline pilots, and others in public transportation can cause great harm and death to others if they work in a tired state. But if the government tried to regulate my sleep, I would be against that.

    Yes, just about any private action has potential to impact others, but the risk should be assessed. A man could ride a motorcycle without a helmet, a la Rothlesburger, and kill himself on the highway, leaving kids without a wage earner or a dad. Well, he knew the risks. We cannot protect people from themselves. Someone once said something to the effect that government rules the best that rules the least.

    There are many personal moral actions that I disagree with, but also agree should not be mandated by the government. Church & home teaches morals, not the government. Things I don't necessarily agree with, but would support include (for consenting adults...children should be protected until they reach legal age of consent):
    • Repeal of seat belt and helmet laws
    • Repeal of gambling bans
    • Repeal of prohibition of prostitution
    • Repeal of laws criminalizing the sale and / or possession of marijuana
    • Repeal of laws prohibiting cell phone conversations while driving (but still ticket for driving while distracted).
    • Any law regulating private, consensual sexual behavior among consenting adults
    • Repeal of any so-called "Blue Laws" that may still exist anywhere
    This does NOT repeal laws about abuse of spouses or children, distribution of dangerous drugs, driving while impaired, etc. Those things still apply. We don't need more laws, we need fewer laws. Apply the ones that address the problem itself, not some perceived misuse or abuse of another issue.

    As to my list above, I personally have never used illegal drugs, always wear my seat belt, have never visited a prostitute, never owned any marijuana, etc. I do believe that if vices were legalized and properly regulated, the profit is gone from the gangs, street warfare would be minimized to nearly zero, and taxes on things like marijuana and prostitution could be used to help those who abuse the substance and to perform health checks on prostitutes.

    In these matters, I am very libertarian. If it ain't botherin' you, leave me alone. It ain't no ones business but mine.
     
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