Featured Considering the problem of depression & discouragement!

I must log off for now. I do want to answer you.

 

If the mind is immaterial and cannot be tested in a lab nor proven then only one conclusion can be drawn: it does not exist. :BangHead:

 

Thank you, I will look at it. It is interesting how many in the church have been deceived, into the false premise that mental illness is the cause of peoples behavior when in fact sin is the cause. I say deceived but the truth is that many seek to cling to this false teaching to keep from taking responsibility for their sin and confessing and turning from it. This is a spiritual issue not a medical issue. In many cases it is because of forgiveness. In others it is trusting the Lord through difficult times and in some it is just anger they want to hang on to as bullies. There are many other reasons but it is always sin based.
I will admit that pills can mask the symptoms, but they never deal with the underlying issue and that is sin. Until the person is ready to deal with the sin they will remain trapped in their sin falsely labeled Mental illness.
I would add that there is no question that prolonged periods of time where a person does not confess and forsake their sin can lead to trapping them into that sin and add to the driving forces in their lives making it ever more difficult to escape. However the bottom line issue is spiritual and that is what has to be dealt with to overcome the problem being diagnosed as mental illness, not pills, shock treatment, or constant counseling. The things we see in the lives of people diagnosed as mental illness are all sin related.

 

Yes if you cannot or refuse to accept the truth that would be a logical conclusion.

 

Then prove to me the mind exists.

 

Prove to me that God exists.

 

I probably need to add to this. I at no time am suggesting that pills, shock treatment, or counseling is not needed in some peoples lives to keep them from doing harm to themselves or others. I am saying those things never fix the problem. As long as they refuse to deal with the real issue, sin, they may need to be controlled by other measures. Those things only mask or control the person to some degree not fix the problem. The bottom line issue is a spiritual issue and needs to be dealt with spiritually. That is the only cure for their problems.
The problem in this discussion is that a vast number of people and even pastors have bought the lie about mental illness and no longer treat the problem as it should be which is dealing with the persons sin.

 

Faith and empirical evidence.

Job 19:25-26 KJV
25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

Now prove to me the mind exists.

 

So if a person has faith that sticking pins into dolls makes someone sick is that also empirical evidence?

 

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

The Word of God proves the mind exists. Do you want to argue with God's Word?

 

That does not answer the question

 

I think that proves what and how our mind works is our responsibility, it is a choice, not some Doctor's who pushes pills and other things.

 

Come on Free. You're better than that.

Lo, he goeth by me, and I see him not: he passeth on also, but I perceive him not.
Job 9:11 KJV

But that does not keep Job from believing that God exists. He points to the sun, the mountains and stars and sees the hand of God.

I'm trying to understand this fear of science. A belief in science is not an absolute rejection of the existence of God. Insulin does not cure a diabetic. It treats symptoms by altering chemical balances in the body. We accept that and move on praying for either a cure or a miracle or both. Why do we take this one topic and divorce it from rational discussion?

 

This is not about believing. I am responding to your accusation that the mind cannot be proven to exist. Prove to us all that God is using your own parameters.

 

No, but I'd argue with the way you use it.

Thayer's defines mind as "the faculty of perceiving and judging". Where does that happen? Does it float arbitrarily throughout the body? Does it exist outside the body? Where is it seated?

 

God does not use my parameters. You might want to rephrase that last sentence.

 

Agreed!
That we have a mind, there is no doubt. That our minds should be controlled by Christ instead of mind-altering drugs... again no doubt.

 

I am talking about your parameters not God's.