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Constitutional Islam

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by El_Guero, Jan 7, 2007.

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  1. rbell

    rbell Active Member

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    So because of the idiots in other countries that butcher Christians, we should deprive muslims here legally of practicing their religion freely?

    No one in their right mind thinks we should allow butchering here. But do you really think, LE, that evangelical Christians are in the majority now? Even if we are, do you really think that there won't be a time when another group, religion, etc. is in the majority? As soon as they gain it, they will use the very laws we enacted to restrict freedoms to suppress Christians.

    If a muslim is practicing his/her faith, of course we can know some things:
    • They don't know Christ, and are headed for hell.
    • They are supporting a religion rife with terroristic folk.
    • They are supporting a religion that is involved with strife all over the globe.
    I'll give you those things, and yes, those are disconcerting (#1 far above the others).

    But until a muslim, carrying out his faith, violates the rights of another American, we have NO RIGHT to supress that person's freedom of religious expression.

    To suggest otherwise is scary to me. And I'm extremely conservative...close to libertarian in some areas.
     
  2. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    You are spot on. If the U.S. constitution does not protect the rights of Muslims legally in the United States, then it really doesn't' protect the rights of evangelical Christians, either. Our rights would be based on the dictates of the majority and based on the protection of men, not law.
     
  3. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    Amen. An individual should be judged by his character, not the character of another person or of a group - by his character, not his religious profession.
     
  4. El_Guero

    El_Guero New Member

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    I think we agree on this one.

    They are some scary folks . . . and way to often the let in the illegals and kick out the legals . . . especially when the legals are 'mexican' and the illegals are 'muslim'.


     
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    El_Guero New Member

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    I disagree.

    The Constitution ONLY PROTECTS citizens.

    I vote for a Constitutional amendment that revokes the citizenship of all Americans that cannot get the Constitution right.

    :wavey:


     
  6. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    1) The U.S. constitution protects anyone legally within our borders.

    2) I would not support such an amendment.
     
  7. El_Guero

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    Of all of the recent threads - this one should focus on the OP.

    It seems (no one has said so, but it does seem) that most of the posters AGREE with the OP.

    But, for some reason some posters seem to infer that tightening up immigration laws and reforming the citizenship process could lead to the future oppression of Christians in this country. I assure you, no matter what laws are passed - the Christians in this country will face persecution - I read the end of the Book.

    ;)

     
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    El_Guero New Member

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    Strange . . .

    1. Can you point out the paragraph so I could read it?

    2. I really don't support such an amendment . . . but, it would certainly make folks read their Constitution.


     
  9. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    I totally disagree with the OP.

    The practice of Islam is protected by the first amendment.

    It always has been protected by the first amendment. It is not something new.

    I am not aware of anyone wanting to give Muslim immigrants special status.

    There should not be, nor is there any need for, a constitutional amendment banning Sharia Law.
     
  10. El_Guero

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    When we are at peace - I agree with you - that would be paranoia.

    When we are at war - fear of attack is sanity.

    To say that Patrick Henry did not experience some fear . . . is to make him out to be a lunatic . . . I think he was just a normal courageous American.

    "Give me liberty or give me death." Not being able to walk with my mother to the gate to see her off is a burden upon our liberty that I would have never thought would come to our country - then we were attacked.

     
  11. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    No. The U.S. constitution is the supreme law of the land and, therefore, it covers everyone here legally.

    There are lots of people living here legally who are not citizens.
     
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    Paragraph?

    ;)

    Nice side step . . . does that mean that you now know that what you said was in the Constitution is not in the Constitution?

    ;)

    I still agree with the OP - soon and very soon, Islam will play a dominant role in America. And that is a mistake.

    And those like me will be persecuted for The Faith.

     
  13. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    The U.S. Congress has not declared war. We are in police actions in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    We use the term "war" rather loosely in this country. But legally, we are not currently in a state of war. We haven't been since World War II.
     
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    1) Then provide the legal precedent where people living here legally were not given the protections of the U.S. constitution.

    2) Nope.
     
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    Try Ammendment 14 to the US Constitution . . .

    Everyone is protected (cannot be wrongfully prosecute illegal aliens), but the Constitutional rights apply to CITIZENS.

    Me thinks.

     
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    Japanese Americans, WW2. When at war, things change. We are not at war even though we are told so by the president, media, and others. There is no war on terror. If there was really a war on terror, things would have changed. By the time most people realize we really are asleep at the war that has been declared on us, it will be too late.
     
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    Legal precedent? NOPE - Amendment 14.

    It does not grant the protections of the US constitution to non-citizens, but it requires that they protected by our laws. I.e., we cannot make war without going to Congress. We cannot ban people from immigrating with making it a law.

    Or in other words, the loop holes that were present from the Dred Scott (sp) case were definitely closed.

    That is why the prisoners were taken to Gitmo . . . even combatants would have to be treated similarly to American citizens on our 'soil'.

     
  18. KenH

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    Which was a violation of the U.S. constitution for which the U.S. government has apologized and made monetary restitution for, to the tune of $1.6 billion to 82,250 people.
     
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    LE

    I disagree . . . we are at war . . . and I think our armed forces get that picture . . . it is just some of our citizens and politicians that do not.

    I thank God that we have the greatest military in the world right now.

    :thumbs:

    May He continue to protect them even though my Country is guilty of many hideous sins.


     
  20. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    You might want to read that amendment again.

    "nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
     
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