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Controversy surrounds Mormonism comments by Fuller exec

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Rich_UK, Nov 29, 2004.

  1. Rich_UK

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    May 26, 2003
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    Evangelical Christian leaders and experts on Mormonism have expressed dismay at recent comments made by Fuller Theological Seminary President Richard Mouw at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' "signature pulpit" in Salt Lake City.

    Mouw spoke briefly Nov. 14 during the second night of a three-part series titled "Evening of Friendship," which was sponsored by Standing Together Ministries, an evangelical Christian group headquartered in Lehi, Utah. The main speaker for the nightly lecture series was noted Christian apologist Ravi Zacharias.

    According to articles published in the Deseret News and Salt Lake Tribune as well as transcript of the speech provided by Mouw, he apologized at the event for evangelical Christians' misrepresentation of the Mormon beliefs.

    "Let me state it clearly. We evangelicals have sinned against you," he said, according to the Deseret News.

    "We've often seriously misrepresented the beliefs and practices of members of the LDS faith," the Salt Lake Tribune quoted Mouw as saying. "It's a terrible thing to bear false witness ... We've told you what you believe without first asking you."

    Some evangelical pastors at the event were disturbed by Mouw's comments.

    "Some of my people were there and they were turned off by the whole event because of him," said Mike Gray, pastor of Southeast Baptist Church in Salt Lake City, and one of the sponsoring evangelical Christian churches for the event.

    "I chose to be a part of it simply because I knew Ravi would present the Gospel," Gray said of the rare occasion for an evangelical Christian leader to speak at the Salt Lake Tabernacle. "Everything Ravi did was well done."

    The last evangelical to speak at the Tabernacle, according to reports, was 19th-century preacher D.L. Moody.

    "[Mouw] was wrong. He had no business. And it will hurt," said Gray, who branded Mouw's generalized comments as "insensitive," "inaccurate," and "ignorant" of activities by many evangelical Christian churches in the Salt Lake City area.

    "He doesn't live here and he doesn't know what we do," Gray said. "We haven't been ugly to our Mormon neighbors. We love them and care about them."

    According to Gray, comments like Mouw's present Christians yet another obstacle in their work to evangelize and minister to Mormons throughout the world. The comments blur the lines between Mormon and evangelical Christian teaching, Gray said.

    "We want to become all things to all men to reach them to share the Gospel," Gray said. "And the tension and balance is how do you share the Gospel but not become part of standing with the Mormons.

    "That's always the balance that we try to find here."

    Tim Clark, executive director of the Utah-Idaho Baptist Convention, said that a statement from an evangelical leader like Mouw's can cause weak believers to stumble and give credence to the Mormon message by muddying the waters.

    "[Mouw is] sending a message to Mormons that they are a part of mainstream Christianity," Clark said.

    "The Mormons will take that and use that kind of language. It's a half truth, but that's how they report it," he added, noting the targeted evangelistic efforts of Mormons to convert evangelical Christians, like Baptists and Methodists.

    Both Gray and Clark mentioned full-length movies being funded and/or produced by Mormons, such as "Baptists At Our Barbecue," which depicts a Baptist preacher and his church pitted against Mormons in a small town, as evidences of efforts to reach out and convert evangelicals.

    "The evidence is tangible. Why are the Mormons building temples in New York City, Dallas and Atlanta? It's because they're targeting Baptists who don't know what they believe," Clark said.

    Mouw, responding to the criticism he has received from his comments, wrote in an e-mail to Baptist Press that he acknowledged not all evangelical Christians have sinned against Mormons by "bearing false witness."...

    From the transcript provided to BP and comments attributed to him by the Salt Lake Tribune, Mouw stated that there are "very real issues of disagreement" between Mormon and Christian doctrine "of eternal significance."

    Then he added, "But now we can discuss them as friends."

    "In none of this am I saying that Mormons are 'orthodox Christians.' But I do believe that there are elements in Mormon thought that if emphasized, while de-emphasizing other element, could constitute a message within Mormonism of salvation by grace alone through the blood of Jesus Christ," Mouw wrote. "I will work to promote that cause."

    Although Mouw noted that many will inevitably disagree with that approach, he wrote, "at the very least admit that we have not always been fair in our wholesale condemnation of Mormonism as simply a false religion."...

    In his e-mail response Mouw mentioned a "discernible pattern of sinning against LDS" members by evangelicals, pointing to authors like Walter Martin who has "oversimplified Mormon teaching" and Dave Hunt who represented Mormonism as "Satanic in its inspiration and practice."

    "I think this is bearing false witness," Mouw wrote...


    Heres an open lettern from Bud press to Ravi Zacharias

  2. Marcia

    Marcia Active Member

    May 12, 2004
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    I'm on a list that is discussing this. Mouw's statements have created quite a stir. Check out this article on polygamy by Richard Mouw (who is president of Fuller Seminary):

    :eek: :eek:
  3. Dr. Bob

    Dr. Bob Administrator

    Jun 30, 2000
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