Could this be the stone?

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...and who gives anyone the right or ability to judge the KJV alone as that final authority?
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God Almighty does based upon what he has already done and provided and through our faith and understanding of what he has given to us. WE are to check the scriptures daily, to see if what we are being taught is the truth. If something comes along, claiming to be the words of God, that is different(changed) in any way from what God has ALREADY PROVIDED FOR US, then we should reject it. The KJV is our standard and has been the standard, and the very words of God to us in English for hundreds of years.


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What if I beleive that God was done with the Geneva Bible?
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History proves that God was done with the Geneva Bible, for it served it's purpose for that time as God saw fit. Is there anything wrong with the Geneva Bible? NO. The KJB is the Bible that God has seen fit to provide for his people in the English language and history proves this and we shouldn't question it. He made a good translation better, but not different, which is different than what we see with the mv's to which there is not the same comparison.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Of course, you have no Bible evidence - human logic and reasoning only - end of story.

 

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Maybe I am just stupid - could you give me ONE verse to support your view that the KJV is God's only Bible?
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I do not say you are stupid, but very unobservant as to many posts that myself and others have posted in the past. I see that you have been here alot longer than I have, and you should be well aware of my previous posts.

If you continually insist, and try to make it as though I have not ever stated my scriptural reasons, I will again repeat it to you. Here is the one scripture I will give you to start with - Psalm 12. You however, along with many others here on these threads do not accept this, nor will you ever accept any clear scriptural support for our belief, because you are looking for scripture that says the actual name of KJV or where it specifically states only one version, etc. This is why I continually try to remind you all, to stop focusing on the labels, and solely on the WORDS OF GOD.

I am not going to get into another debate on Psalm 12. There are many here who refuse to understand this passage for what it clearly states, and I will not go into this again. One will either believe God's promise of preservation of his pure words, or they do not. I believe God, because this IS what he has promised. How do I know? Because the Lord is who gives me understanding through the Holy Spirit, and through the context of the passage. Not only that, but looking at the whole of scripture, this can't mean anything but that. God proves it within the scriptures himself. Can you see it yet?

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Even IF (and I disagree it does) Psalm 12 referred to the preservation of words I cannot see how you can make the claim for your favourite version!

What is the Lord gives me understanding that He preserves His Word in the NKJV??

Which of us is wrong?

 

I cannot tell you if i believe that
or not for i cannot determine what you mean by it.

IMHO you have confused the Rhema (Strongs 4487)
and the Logos (Strongs 3056) of God.
By embracing the
"God's Language is English" heresy you
do err. There is the Logos, the living word
of God, Iesus, the Christ. It is
seperate from the written w3ord of
God, the Rhema, the Holy Scriptures.
The words on paper are NOT THE SAME as
the God who came to earth in Human flesh
and yet lives on.

If, as you say, what you say is said
in the Scriptures, then show me the
book, chapter, and verses in the New
International Version (NIV) where these
things are said. For the NIV is God's
Holy Rhema and should you speak against
the NIV then you defame God's Holy Logos.

Praise the Logos described in the Rhema
Praise the Word described in the word

 

Our God is merciful and gracious
and has preserved His Word (Rhems)
for our generation
in our English language in the nKJV.
(not to mention my favorite:
Holman Christian Standard Bible /HCSB, 2003/ )

Praise the Logos described in the Rhema
Praise the Word described in the word

 

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Of course, you have no Bible evidence - human logic and reasoning only - end of story.
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Your lack of understanding is showing forth. The evidence is in the scriptures, and what God has preserved for us and said about them (Psalm 12, etc). The mv's have ommitted/added/changed much of scripture, to which God has warned not to do. WE are to reject them. THis is my standard as to what I go by, and come to a sound biblical reason/judgement regarding them. What is my standard? What God has providentially provided throughout the churches concerning the scriptures and in what the scriptures themselves say about the scriptures/words of the Lord. Now where is your evidence and scriptural support for your view?

Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

This poll of persons on this Fourm
seems to suggest not:

http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/4/1586.html?

Praise the Logos described in the Rhema
Praise the Word described in the Word

 

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IMHO you have confused the Rhema (Strongs 4487)
and the Logos (Strongs 3056) of God.
By embracing the
"God's Language is English" heresy you
do err. There is the Logos, the living word
of God, Iesus, the Christ. It is
seperate from the written w3ord of
God, the Rhema, the Holy Scriptures.
The words on paper are NOT THE SAME as
the God who came to earth in Human flesh
and yet lives on.
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God's word is in all languages, for he is the creator of ALL LANGUAGES. His words to me in English is the same words for someone in Spanish, etc. It is the same words in one's own language, but is still his WORDS and unchanged. I am sorry you do not seem to understand this important point.

What then do you say to Jesus Christ our Lord, who said his words are eternal? If God spoke the world and all creation into being by his Word, and Jesus Christ is the Word of God, then what praytell is the word of God then? How can you, or anyone else for that matter even know God, if not by hearing of the words of God? Faith cometh by the hearing of the word of God. The words of God are truth, as is also our Lord Jesus Christ. They are one in the same as the scriptures say, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word was manifest in the flesh. The spirit of prophesy is the testimony of Jesus. God does not lie, and hence God speaks to us through his word, to which he cannot lie, and therefore his words are truth, the word of truth, which is all about Jesus. God's words live on, for they are eternal, just as Jesus, who is the Living Word of God is also Eternal. Words describe for us those things that the Spirit reveals understanding of the truth, which is through the words of God, about the Word of God. You are attempting to separate that which cannot be separated.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Nope. I respect the KJV a lot.

 

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If, as you say, what you say is said
in the Scriptures, then show me the
book, chapter, and verses in the New
International Version (NIV) where these
things are said. For the NIV is God's
Holy Rhema and should you speak against
the NIV then you defame God's Holy Logos.

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THat is only if you are with the misguided belief that the NIV is the pure words of God, to which I do not believe this and have made quite clear my reasons why I believe this.

Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

I took it up with God.

Here is God's message for us, today
25 July 2004:

Ezekiel 3:16-21 (HCSB):

16 Now at the end of seven days the word of the Lord came to me:
17 “Son of man, I have made you a watchman over the house of Israel. When you hear a word from My mouth, give them a warning from Me.
18 If I say to the wicked person: You will surely die, but you do not warn him—you don’t speak out to warn him about his wicked way in order to save his life—that wicked person will die for his iniquity. Yet I will hold you responsible for his blood.
19 But if you warn a wicked person and he does not turn from his wickedness or his wicked way, he will die for his iniquity, but you will have saved your life.
20 Now if a righteous person turns from his righteousness and practices iniquity, and I put a stumbling block in front of him, he will die. If you did not warn him, he will die because of his sin and the righteous acts he did will not be remembered. Yet I will hold you responsible for his blood.
21 But if you warn the righteous person that he should not sin, and he does not sin, he will indeed live because he listened to [your warning, and you will have saved your life.”

Praise the Logos described in the Rhema
Praise the Word described in the Word

 

Nope. I respect the KJV a lot. </font>[/QUOTE]And I respect you, Brother DeclareHim
because you respect the King James Vesion.

Praise the Logos described in the Rhema
Praise the Word described in the Word

 

Kind of a one sided discussion here.

All MVers honour and respect the KJV as the Word of God.

KJVOers do not honour and respect any other version as the Word of God..hmmm.

I don't fit in either one - I am a KJVer (notice the missing "O") who does honur and respect other sound translations as the Word of God. Anbody else like that?

 

Amen, Brother C4K - Preach it!

Praise the Logos described in the Rhema
Praise the Word described in the Word

 

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Even IF (and I disagree it does) Psalm 12 referred to the preservation of words I cannot see how you can make the claim for your favourite version!

What is the Lord gives me understanding that He preserves His Word in the NKJV??

Which of us is wrong?
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Excuse me, but let us get onto the right understanding. I do not view my Bible as being a version, but as the very words of God Almighty HIMSELF, preserved for those who love him and his word. It is not my favorite version, but the very words of God and my first and final authority. I don't even think of God's word in terms of being favorite, because there is only one word of God and nothing to compare it to! God's words are the truth, and the means by which I get to know him, and what his will is for me. By saying "favorite" implies that I have a choice in choosing what is God's word and what isn't, to which I do not. God's words are already established and eternal, and will never pass away and I have no power or authority over them, nor to judge them. God's words do the judging all on their own.

All I can say to you, is what the Lord has revealed to me. I cannot speak for you. That is between you and the Lord, and is between me and the Lord. Let us not focus on who is wrong regarding what the Lord has revealed to us, because then all kinds of trouble can come from that. My conscience is at peace regarding my belief regarding this issue because of the understanding he has given me, not of my own imagination, but through the scriptures, and the evidence that is given.

Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Well, for one thing michelle, and this is for those KJVO (if there are indeed any left of this type on the BB) that believe that the AV1611 First Edition was "perfect".

In fact, it was not. There were two releases, one from Oxford (brave KJVO claim this one as the "perfect" one but that has it's problem as well) and one from Cambridge.

They were different in several places. Then starting in 1613 each of these editions were revised for "errors" both of substance and typography.

This went on until the 1850's.

So there are two editions and several revisions all different.

On top of all that the archetypal manuscript (both Oxford and Cambridge, although that part is not clear that there were two), at least the master copy at Oxford disappeared around 1650 never to be seen again.

Therefore the KJV is no different than any other translation or even "inspired" mansucript copies of the "originals". There is no "original", there are several extant and ancient copies but they are of conflicting editions and revisions.

Things which are different are not the same, whether 1 difference or 10000, or so we had been told every day for years by the KJVO.

HankD

 

Amen - on that one quote we can agree completely! I can say the exact same thing!

 

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I don't fit in either one - I am a KJVer (notice the missing "O") who does honur and respect other sound translations as the Word of God. Anbody else like that?
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How can you honour and respect those things that have altered the pure words of God and then claim to love the word of God? How? When the Lord gives us warning about his words, and how important they are, and most importantly who they are about? How can you honour and respect those versions that have weakened the strong testimony of our Lord Jesus Christ and to which have sowed doubt to the reader as to what God's word is or isn't? How? Is the church the pillar of truth in this day and age? What is happening to you all? This is not some debate about what football team is better than the other. This issue and debate is about the very pure words of God, to which we should be standing for and not compromising it with error! This attitude really amazes me.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Again, I can say the exact same words as you do - amazing!!