Covenant of Redemption Questions

Actually, the Covenant of Redemption and the Covenant of Grace share many similarities, although the Covenant of Grace is unique in that it is a republication of the Covenant of Works. More on that in a moment.

The Covenant of Redemption focuses on God's eternal plan for the redemption of His people (the elect). The Covenant of Grace reveals that plan through the Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ (the last Adam, 1 Cor. 15:45) kept the Covenant of Works that the first Adam failed to keep, thus conveying the benefits of the promise to His posterity. The Covenant of Redemption is useful in providing an umbrella under which all of God's redemptive work comes to rest.

 

I thought that there were just the Covenant of Works that Adam was under before the Fall, and One of Grace afterwards!

 

It depends on who you ask. Many Baptists don't recognize the Covenant of Redemption while others do.

 

What was that part on recapulation of the Mosaic Covenanic, is that a Kline thing?

 

Most text books seem to just see the CoW and the CoG, with the main division being just how the CoG was worked out, as was the NC brand new or not?

 

The CoR seems to be externally manifested towards us under the NC, so that would be theone God wants us to focus upon, as the other seems to be more speculative.

 

Not exactly. The 1647 edition of the Westminster Confession of Faith states, "Man, by his fall, having made himself incapable of life by that covenant, the Lord was pleased to make a second, commonly called the covenant of grace;". The 1689 Second London Baptist Confession of faith renders it this way, "Moreover, man having brought himself under the curse of the law by his fall, it pleased the Lord to make a covenant of grace", so both major confessions recognize the Covenant of Grace. Only the Westminster Confession specifically mentions the Covenant of Works, although it is implied in the 1689 LBCF. As far as the Covenant of Redemption, it depends on who you ask. Some theologians believe the Covenant of Redemption is the over-arching covenants under which the Covenant of Grace and the Covenant of Works resides. Others do not. While I have no problem with using the Covenant of Redemption as a way to describe how all the covenants intersect, it is not worth getting hung up over. The Covenant of Grace is more critical.

 

How would you see the distiction between the CoG as in the OC, and now under the Nc?

 

Are you a calvinist, or a reformed then?

 

The Reformed Confessions (WCF, LBCF, Savoy) don't mention a Covenant or Council of Redemption; they tend to subsume it under the Covenant of Grace. But you can find in Scripture a covenant made among the Persons of the Trinity, most notably in Ephesians 1:3-14, where the actions of each Person is described, that of the Father in vs. 3-6, that of the Son in 7-12 and that of the Spirit in 13-14.

I work this out in more detail on my blog post The Covenants part II. The Covenant of Grace though I describe it as the 'Covenant of Grace' rather that that of Redemption.

 

I agree with the 1689 in the sense of it being a good summery of biblical doctrines, and would also see myself in agreement with 1689 Federalim, as I do tend to see a bigger discontnuity between the old and New Covenants, and that has caused some reformed to still see me as being a Dispy in their mind, as hold withHistorical preMil, not A Mil!

 

Think that it would be best to say with the CoG designation, as that would seem to fit the biblcal model the best.