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Covenant or Testament?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by DeclareHim, Sep 16, 2004.

  1. DeclareHim

    DeclareHim New Member

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    Here anther KJVO argument will be taken apart. One of the KJVO'ist favorite argument is MV's have taken out Testament. So first here are the facts. Times Testament is used in the Bible.

    KJV=13 verses, 14 times

    ASV=2 verses, 2 times

    ESV=0 verses, 0 times

    Darby=2 verses, 2 times

    God's Word=1 verse, 1 time

    Douay-Rheims Bible=27 verses, 30 times

    Geneva Bible=22 verses, 26 times

    Now most MV's translate 'testament' as the other alternative 'covenant'. For instance ESV=29 verses, 32 times it has 'covenant'. Now this is where it gets interesting the KJV actually translates the Greek word " dee-ath-ay'-kay= a contract. covenant, testament. " 'convenant' more times than it does 'testament'. Compare.

    KJV= Testament in 13 verses and 14 times.

    KJV= Covenant in 19 verses and 21 times.

    So the KJV didn't have a preface they translated it both ways in differant passages. The MV's such as the ESV, chose to use consistency in how they translated this word. [​IMG]

    1cross+3nails=4given [​IMG]
     
  2. Craigbythesea

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    Dear friend,

    Why are you not in bed this hour of the night? :eek:

    An interesting observation, nonetheless. Thank you. Now go to bed! [​IMG]

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  3. Craigbythesea

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    Posts: 666 | From: Kalispell MT | Registered: May 2004 | IP: Logged |

    Post 666. Congratulations!
     
  4. DeclareHim

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    So the Catholic Douay-Rheims Bible is
    twice as good as the Anglican Bible :confused:

    BTW, the first definition in my dictionary
    for "testament" is:

    Testament - a covenant, especially one between God and man
     
  7. R. J.

    R. J. New Member

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    Ed,

    Your dictionary may imply that a testament is a covenant, however, the bible says otherwise.

    Scripturally, the New Testament is the blood sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ which takes away the sin of the WORLD on an individual basis (John 1:29).

    The New Covenant is with the house of Israel and the house of Judah (see Jeremiah 31:31). The specifics of this New Covenant is spelled out in Jeremiah 31:33-34. This covenant is with a NATION, not individuals.
     
  8. DeclareHim

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    Yea well the kjVersion uses 'covenant' in the NT more times than it does 'testament'.

    Example Hebrews 13:20

    "Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant." KJV

    Doesn't sound like Paul is talking about Israel here. Your thought on this issue is wrong. Way to go Bro. Ed. [​IMG]

    1cross+3nails=4given [​IMG]
     
  9. HankD

    HankD Well-Known Member

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    This inconsistency of receptor words (which in some cases is warranted) for the same original laguage word(s) is commom in the KJV.

    The biggest mystery : Holy Ghost vs Holy Spirit.

    HankD
     
  10. Craigbythesea

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    The Old Testament is called the "Old Testament" because its primary theme is the old covenant.
    The New Testament is called the "New Testament" because its primary theme is the new covenant.
     
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    Rom. 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
     
  12. Jim Ward

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    And where I might I see a Bible believer usng this argument against the corrupt mv's?

    I have never seen this argument used nor ever used it.


    Jim
     
  13. R. J.

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    You are quite correct that Paul is not talking ABOUT Israel. He is talking TO HEBREWS. Unless you are a Hebrew, that ain't you, brother.

    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
     
  14. Craigbythesea

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    • Paul did not write the letter to the Hebrew Chirstians.

    • The truths in the letter to the Hebrew Christians are true regardless of the nationality of the reader.

    Unbelievable—here we are in the 21st century and some Christians still have not learned what "study" meant in the early 17th century.

    Those who argue that the King James translation of the Bible is suitable for today’s readers need to wake up from their fairytale dream state.
     
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