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Cut taxes? Raise taxes?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Crabtownboy, Mar 1, 2015.

  1. Crabtownboy

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    Old, you mean you do not remember Buffet saying it is wrong that he pays less than his secretary? Don't throw the word ignorant around too loosely ... it might come back to bite you.

    Do you feel it is right for Buffett to pay less then his secretary?
     
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    So you say but the one you follow most closely is Obama and Marxism! You do realize that Marxism is atheist don't you Crabby?

    I read His words. Do you want me to tell you again what he thinks about slaughtering babies?

    I like them fine Crabbie but he is talking about how Christians are to care, not the Socialist government. All the government does is TAKE!
     
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    One more time Crabbie. Jesus Christ is talking about individual Christians not a Socialist government that just TAKES!
     
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    Simplistic thinking. Came back to bite him.
     
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    The Great Recession started under Bush but Obama has kept it going for 6 years and increased the national deb t twice what Bush did in 8 years!
     
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    Nice try Old, but it won't wash. Government is made up of individuals and if individuals are Christian and follow Christ's teachings the old, the poor, children and those in need will be taken care of.

    What you are admitting is that if that is Socialism then Christ was a Socialist.
    Regardless, if I am standing with Christ I am in good company.

    Nowhere did Christ say take away from the poor and give to the rich.
     
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    "Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents."
     
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    If governments are made up of individuals, then do you also admit that corporations are individuals?
     
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    To me yes they are, but according to the so called conservative Supreme Court corporations are individuals. Big difference and one of several very bad decisions, IMHO, by the current so called conservative SC.

    Regardless, if management of corporations were really Christian they would be much more concerned with helping the poor, those in need, etc., and some do very good things. Most do not and are much more concerned with profits, even excessive profits and minimizing taxes than in helping people.

    What say you?
     
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    Govt socialism - Taking from me by force of law

    Christian Socialism - Giving out of love.
     
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    Christian Socialism ? What ?

    It's called "charity", Salty.
     
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    The rich already pay most of the taxes. They do not have to work. Many of them have money sheltered so that it is not taxable.

    Obama is going to crash the economy with millions more Mexicans (Mexicans vote Democrat) and shutting down the coal mining and coal-fired electric plants in the name of global warming.

    Raising the minimum wage is just going to raise prices and further depress retail sales, already in the doldrums under the Democrats.

    Education does not end depressions--during the Great Depression many countries had college graduates unemployed.

    Obama does not care about white working people. He has driven them out of the Democrat Party by taking away their healthcare and still charging them a high tax for Obamacare and suppressing their wages so that Mexicans could be employed and additional Democrats could be enrolled thereby on the voter rolls to prop up the Democrats.
     
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    I think the corporations that are in it to help people, the poor, those in need, are called 501(c), NON-PROFIT corporations.

    All others are in it for the money. You should not expect a for-profit corporation to have a primary purpose of "helping the poor".
     
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    I say corporations are made up of people. Because they're made up of people, they're going to be run based on those people, their beliefs, their ideals, their morals.

    What you're espousing is trying to force an inward change from the outside -- just like pharisees thought their outward appearance was the measure of their spirituality.
     
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    Democrats think that it is wrong to make money by hard work--they themselves seldom do that kind of thing. There is nothing wrong with money if it is not loved.
     
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    I recall, but I also recall he was actually being disingenuous about the issue as I note below.

    You are correct Crabby. I did vote democrat once in 1960 and it still bites me! Burning candles doesn't seem to help!

    If Buffet was all that concerned about his tax rate being lower than that of his secretary he could have always paid more. I believe there is an option on the tax forms that allows the taxpayer to pay additional taxes out of the goodness of their heart.
     
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    Actually government is not made up of individuals Crabby. It is made up of collectivist bureaucrats who are looking out for them selves! Also Obumma has said this is not a Christian nation Crabby.

    That is blasphemy. Jesus Christ said "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's"! He did not say give your soul to Caesar which is what Socialism, or more correctly Marxism, is.
    Are you with Jesus Christ when you support the party of death Crabby, the party that celebrates the slaughter of the unborn? I think not!

    But he did say the poor will always be with us.
     
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    I will bet you were praising the Court when they declared that Obamacare was constitutional, even burned a candle before the image of Obumma.
     
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    I am glad that 5 to 8 million people who were uninsured now have insurance. Aren't you? Do you approve of such a rich nation allowing people to suffer and/or die because of lack of insurance. What is Christian about that?

    Read and/or remember Christ's words on helping others before answering.
     
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    Are not bureaucrats individuals. And about looking out for self, that is exactly what you are arguing for, looking our for yourself.

    I agree this is not a Christian nation and the GOP is leading it further from the teachings of Christ.

    And if Caesar is Socialist, then what? True he did not say give your soul to Socialism or Marxiam and neither did he say give your soul to Capitalism.

    If Jesus' teachings sound like Socialism, then he must approve of taking care of others. What did he tell the rich young ruler? What did he say in the final judgement? What does his teaching teach us about taking care of others?

    Are you with Jesus Christ when you support the party of death Crabby, the party that celebrates the slaughter of the unborn? I think not!

    Because he knew the hard heart of those with means to help others; that for the most part they would be selfish and not help. That is the GOP position, what is mine is mine and what is yours I want it also. Do not ask me to help you if you are in need.

    Did you know the GOP is now wanting to reduce benefits to people injured on the job?

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/28/and-now-the-gop-is-going-after-injured-workers.html
     
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