Damnation?

No, it would not be okay with me. Why? Because then it would change God's word and that is a no no.(Rev.22:18)

 

This "archaic word" argument is one of the weakest of the reasons for the use of an MV, imho. The vast majority of these words are still valid words and actually fit the literal meaning better.

My favourite - careful instead of anxious. "Care"ful in the perfect word in that case.

Not worth fighting you guys over, simply mho.

 

Alternate renderings at the bottom of the page are not scripture and therefore will never correct scripture.

 

as God's word, no, they don't.

 

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The fundamentals of anti-fundamentalism
(these are the noisy ones called "fundies"):

1. Anti-Modern Version (KJBO = King James Bible Only)
2. Anti-education
3. Anti-success
4. Anti-women pants on women
5. Anti-Semetic
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1. true - no modern version today is the pure words of God.
2. False
3. False
4. True - God has commanded in the scriptures, women are not to dress as a man.
5. False


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Typical statements of the anti-fundamentalist called
by the world "fundies":


1. The KJB replaces the origial language manuscripts
as being God's word
2. Calling "seminary": "cemetery"
3. Billy Grahmn sold himself to the Devil
4. (this is generic for all cult-like rules of behavior;
all majoring on minors)
5. Jews killed Christ
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1. Yes, for the common English speaking believer.
2. True - most only teach the critical greek text, and attack by bias against the KJB and the TR (God's preserved words).
3. True - He has become very liberal, ecumenical, compromising and is yolking with those who are unbelievers, or walking disorderly. He has many associates/friends who are Roman Catholic and freemasons (mystery religions, satan worship)
4. I do not know what you are saying here.
5. True - Jews conspired to have Jesus killed, and yelled "crucify him, crucify him" as well as the sins that Jesus came to shed his blood for and to be their sacrificial lamb.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Go back and read Post #1 Page #1

Then read the next post.

HankD

 

I. Ed: --------------------------------------------------
The fundamentals of fundamentalism:

1. the inspiration and infallibility of scripture
2. the deity of Christ (including His virgin birth)
3. the substitutionary atonement of Christ's death
4. the literal resurrrection of Christ from the dead
5. the literal return of Christ in the Second Advent
--------------------------------------------------

Ed again: No comments from Michelle.
Yet other than #1, this is the plan of salvation.
Notice the corruption of basic Fundamentalism
going into step II.

II. Ed: --------------------------------------------------
The fundamentals of anti-fundamentalism
(these are the noisy ones called "fundies"):

1. Anti-Modern Version (KJBO = King James Bible Only)
2. Anti-education
3. Anti-success
4. Anti-women pants on women
5. Anti-Semetic

II. Michelle--------------------------------------------------
1. true - no modern version today is the pure words of God.
2. False
3. False
4. True - God has commanded in the scriptures, women are not to dress as a man.
5. False

Ed again: Here three are answered "false" at the general
level yet below in III are answered "true" at the specific
level. Strangly, there are lots of other specific examples
i could give of each one.

Ed again: For example:
The Fundamentalism list I got above comes from a book by
Jerry Falwell and others. Falwell was in the 1970s
Independant Fundamental Baptist (IFB) I don't mean he
was a member of that group, i mean he was the boss/guru/leader
of that group. Falwell defined what was fundamentalist.
But Falwell became a success and many IFBs distain him
to this day. Falwell build a huge church and college
at Lynchburg Virginia -- a successful preaching/pastor.
So we hate him, Shirly he done made a deal with the devil.

As for #4 about womens pants, i recall what i heard
in 1960 maybe 1959 from a radio (sorry didn't have a TV
back then) preacher: "If you don't know the difference
between woman's pants and men's pants then you got more
problems that I can help you with."

III. Ed: --------------------------------------------------
Typical statements of the anti-fundamentalist called
by the world "fundies":

1. The KJB replaces the origial language manuscripts
as being God's word
2. Calling "seminary": "cemetery"
3. Billy Grahmn sold himself to the Devil
4. (this is generic for all cult-like rules of behavior;
all majoring on minors)
5. Jews killed Christ

II. Michelle--------------------------------------------------
1. Yes, for the common English speaking believer.
2. True - most only teach the critical greek text, and attack by bias against the KJB and the TR (God's preserved words).
3. True - He has become very liberal, ecumenical, compromising and is yolking with those who are unbelievers, or walking disorderly. He has many associates/friends who are Roman Catholic and freemasons (mystery religions, satan worship)
4. I do not know what you are saying here.
5. True - Jews conspired to have Jesus killed, and yelled "crucify him, crucify him" as well as the sins that Jesus came to shed his blood for and to be their sacrificial lamb.

Ed again on 1: Psalms 50:10 (HCSB = The Holman Christian Standard Bible)
for every animal of the forest is Mine,
the cattle on a thousand hills.
The anti-fundamentalist construes with the English
Bible that God only has cattle on ONE HILL.
(THis is a metaphor, cattle and Bible Translations are
two different things. But if God can own the cattle
on thousands of hills; I'm sure God can have more than
one written word, more than one good translation in English.

Ed again on 2: Strangely, the anti-fundamentalist does not
only distain seminary education, they frequently distain
secondary education (High School) as well. I've even seen
some anti-fundamentalists who think that primary education
(teaching kids to read) only leads them to doubt. If they
can't read, they will never notice those pesky footnotes
in some King James Version Bibles.

Ed again on 3: See my note above. I'm really disappointed
in people that are anti-success. The typical anti-fundamental
church seems to be much like one i found on the web.
This IFB preacher had five children, two of his own
and three foster children (some take foster children in
cause you can get more from the state than it costs to
raise them). The preacher's wife evidently took the picture
of the people of the church: an even dozen were in the picture.
Can you feature a small church where the pastor and his
family is half the church. I've seen a picture of it.
The poor pastor had to work as a church leader, full-time
not a pastor at a secular job, and still take in foster
children to make ends meet.


Ed again on 4: anti: "Women pants on women" is but one
example. Majoring on minors, making rules for others to keep
and disfellowshiping on their basis is petty.
Such behavior is typical of individual control cults and
should not be in the church of our God, especially Baptist
churchs which stress individuals working their way toward
God. If such rules are going to be enforced, they aught to
be about potential harmful stuff like wearing seatbelts,
drinking to excess, smoking, eating pig, etc. But they
hardly ever are. The are just about silly stuff.

Ed again on 5: your answer proves your anti-semetic stance.
The Bible teaches that the sins of Michelle killed Jesus
(and the sins of Ed also, i'm no better than anybody else).
Is anyone familiar with the Revelation 25 sheep & goat judgement
where the nations of the world will be judged for
their treatment of the Jews (those kind to the Jews will be
in the Millinnial Kingdom (MK) of Christ; those unkind to Jews
will be cast into hell before the MK starts.

Ed again, for a penultimate word.
The responses of Sister Michelle show that the description i
wrote fits perfectly. I now apply the label
ANTI-FUNDAMENTALIST to Michelle.
[sarcasm]Wear it proudly, Sister[/sarcasm]

Ed again, for an ultimate word:
Please note that while the Fundamentals feature and sponsor
the Plan of Salvation; the anti-fundamentals do not.

Thou knowest I love to praise Jesus in 17th Century talk:
Praise Iesus, the Christ

 

It appears to me, than many here on the BB boards have absolutely no understanding of the English language and meanings of words.

Webster's New World Dictionary

Fundamental: of or forming a foundation or basis; basic; essential -n. a principle, theory, law, etc. serving as a basis

fundamentalism: religious beliefs based on a literal interpretation of the Bible.


If anyone's belief is to be accused of anti-fundamentalism, it is those whose beliefs that do not hold to these above definitions according to the words of God. Those condoning the mv's are lacking in fundamentals of the Bible, and are therefore anti-fundamental. It is the belief that all these mv's are the words of God that is the cancerous sore to christianity, and most likely the reason there is so much division, liberalism, modernism, and apostacy within the churches.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Amen, Siter Michelle -- Preach it!

Your dictionary is out of date.
It probably dates from 1920-1980.

Here is the 1980s definition of Fundamentalism
from dictionary.com:
A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.

By the 1990s, Fundamentalism meant
a bigot (because of rigid adherence to those principles, and intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism)

Thus the definition of "Fundamentalism "
is a good example of why the Holy Bible must
be revised and retranslated at least
each generation. It is the English Language
that changes. God never changes, but the
English Language changes.

 

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Ed again on 5: your answer proves your anti-semetic stance.
The Bible teaches that the sins of Michelle killed Jesus
(and the sins of Ed also, i'm no better than anybody else).
Is anyone familiar with the Revelation 25 sheep & goat judgement
where the nations of the world will be judged for
their treatment of the Jews (those kind to the Jews will be
in the Millinnial Kingdom (MK) of Christ; those unkind to Jews
will be cast into hell before the MK starts
--------------------------------------------------

First of all, I would like to say that I am quite shocked at your attitude and judgement toward other christians, based soley upon your own ASSUMPTIONS. This is not the Spirit of the Lord I am witnessing coming from you, by the words you speak.

Secondly, in the above quote you misrepresent my beliefs and twisted what I had written. You accused me of being anti-semetic, to which is not at all the truth. You claim that I am anti-semetic because I tell the truth, that they also killed our Lord Jesus Christ? The scriptures tell us this. And I NEVER said that I, or you, or anyone else were not responsible, as I did mention that Jesus Christ died for our sins. He was killed by us all, INCLUDING THE JEWS. This is the truth, and it is not anti-semetic. I was responding to your labels of what anti-fundamentals believe. The fundamental believer believes and knows the Jews killed Jesus, the Romans killed Jesus, and we all killed Jesus. To call believing the truth anti-fundamental is a lie, and to call this anti-semetic shows your ignorance and your anti-fundamental/modernist view.


Webster's New World Dictionary

antisemetic: 1. having prejudice against the Jews 2. discriminating against, or persecuting Jews.


I have NEVER believed, showed, nor done this.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

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Thus the definition of "Fundamentalism "
is a good example of why the Holy Bible must
be revised and retranslated at least
each generation. It is the English Language
that changes. God never changes, but the
English Language changes.

--------------------------------------------------


And you are clearly wrong. It is rather that many people do not UNDERSTAND the English language to begin with. This I have observed continually on these boards of many of you. YOu don't have any understanding of basic and common English language. The language isn't changing, but rather many people do not understand it, nor do they even make an effort to. I am really tired of hearing this lie.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

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The language isn't changing,
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Verily, methinks thou errest.

 

Michelle: //Webster's New World Dictionary

antisemetic: 1. having prejudice against the Jews 2. discriminating against, or persecuting Jews.

I have NEVER believed, showed, nor done this.//

Let me tell you a sad story.
The Jews have tracked time year by year from
the day that Adam was created. This creation took
place some 240 years after the creation date
noted my Bishop James Ussher in the 17th centry (1601-1700).
Stangely enough, had Bishop James Ussher had a Jew
to ask, he wouldn't have erred saying the creation
week took place in March 4004BC.

From 1290AD until 1656AD it was illegal to be
found Jewsih on the territories of England. The
penalty was variously death and banishment.
Bishop Ussher had no Jew to ask.

Recommend one have some Jewish friends.
God said to Abraham in Genesis 12:3 (HCSB):
I will bless those who bless you,
I will curse those who treat you with contempt,
and all the peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.

Do a good work for Jesus today;
do something to spare America.
Bless a Jew today.

Thou knowest I love to praise Jesus in 17th Century talk:
Praise Iesus, the Christ

 

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From 1290AD until 1656AD it was illegal to be
found Jewsih on the territories of England. The
penalty was variously death and banishment.
Bishop Ussher had no Jew to ask.

--------------------------------------------------


What are you now insinuating Ed? Huh? I hope that you are not insinuating that because I believe the KJB is the word of God that this makes me anti-semetic. I surely hope and pray that you are not. You will someday be judged by God for all the words and accusations you speak towards others. I may not know fully what you are implying here, but know this - the Lord our God does.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Michelle: "What are you now insinuating Ed?"

Sorry, Sister Michelle, my bad. I rephrase:

God's message for us all:
Do a good work for Jesus today;
do something to spare America.
Bless a Jew today.

 

Wycliffe Bible (Middle English 1395AD)
The Lord gouerneth me, and no thing schal faile to me; 2 in the place of pasture there he hath set me. He nurschide me on the watir of refreischyng; 3 he conuertide my soule. He ledde me forth on the pathis of riytfulnesse; for his name. 4 For whi thouy Y schal go in the myddis of schadewe of deeth; Y schal not drede yuels, for thou art with me. Thi yerde and thi staf; tho han coumfortid me. 5 Thou hast maad redi a boord in my siyt; ayens hem that troblen me. Thou hast maad fat myn heed with oyle; and my cuppe, `fillinge greetli, is ful cleer. 6 And thi merci schal sue me; in alle the daies of my lijf. And that Y dwelle in the hows of the Lord; in to the lengthe of daies.

Coverdale Bible (Early modern English) 1535AD
The LORDE is my shepherde, I can wante nothinge. 2 He fedeth me in a grene pasture, ad ledeth me to a fresh water. 3 He quickeneth my soule, & bringeth me forth in the waye of rightuousnes for his names sake. 4 Though I shulde walke now in the valley of the shadowe of death, yet I feare no euell, for thou art with me: thy staffe & thy shepehoke coforte me. 5 Thou preparest a table before me agaynst mine enemies: thou anoyntest my heade with oyle, & fyllest my cuppe full. 6 Oh let thy louynge kyndnes & mercy folowe me all the dayes off my life, that I maye dwell in the house off the LORDE for euer.


Bishop’s Bible 1568AD
God is my sheephearde, therfore I can lacke nothyng: 2 he wyll cause me to repose my selfe in pasture full of grasse, and he wyll leade me vnto calme waters. 3 He wyll conuert my soule: he wyll bring me foorth into the pathes of righteousnesse for his name sake. 4 Yea though I walke through the valley of the shadowe of death, I wyll feare no euyll: for thou art with me, thy rodde and thy staffe be the thynges that do comfort me. 5 Thou wylt prepare a table before me in the presence of myne aduersaries: thou hast annoynted my head with oyle, and my cup shalbe brymme full. 6 Truely felicitie and mercie shal folowe me all the dayes of my lyfe: and I wyll dwell in the house of God for a long tyme.

HankD

 

And all those early English words still have the same ENGLISH MEANINGS. The difference is how they are spelled. You are still showing forth a lie, even with your example.

annoynted = annointed: same word and same meaning in English.

folowe = follow: same word and same meaning in English

aduersaries = adversaries: same word and same meaning in English

etc.


You point is irrelevent and moot. The only thing you have shown is the different spelling of the same English words, with the same meanings. Like I said, the language hasn't changed it's meaning, but rather many today do not understand them.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Old to Early Middle English circa 1000AD
Recognize this michelle?
There are several clues imbedded in the text.

mioque please don't give it away...

1] Eadig byð se wer þe ne gæð on geþeaht unrihtwisra, ne on
þam wege ne stent synfulra, ne on heora wolbærendum setle ne sitt;
2 Ac his willa byð on godes æ, and ymb his æ he byð smeagende dæges and nihtes.
3] Him byð swa þam treowe þe byð aplantod neah wætera rynum,
Þæt sylð his wæstmas to rihtre tide, and his leaf and his blæda ne fealwiað, ne ne seariað, swa byð þam men þe we ær ymbspræcon; eall him cymð to gode þæt þæt he deð.
4] Ac þa unrihtwisan ne beoð na swylce, ne him eac swa ne limpð, ac hi beoð duste gelicran þonne hit wind toblæwð.
5] Þy ne arisað þa unrihtwisan on domes dæg, ne þa synfullan ne beoð on geþeahte þæra rihtwisena.
6] Forþam God wat hwylcne weg þa rihtwisan geearnedon, ac þa unrihtwisan cumað to witum.

HankD

 

This is from the New Testament michelle, Old English (circa 1000).

Can you identify it?
If not I'll give it again in Middle English.
Please no PhD's respond.

Soðlice he byð mære beforan drihtne and he ne drincð win ne beor: and he byð gefylled on haligum gaste. þonne gyt of hys modor innoðe:

HankD

 

Say, how do you pronounce
the sylables containing this symbol? þ

How about this one? ð