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Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by natters, Aug 9, 2004.

  1. HankD

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    agreed!

    Yes they didn't cut off anyone's ears for one thing.

    HankD
     
  2. michelle

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    38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
    39 And when they were come up out of the water

    The Bishops did manage to get it right here michelle.
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    As they also got it right elsewhere, as has been shown to you.

    Webster's New World Dictionary

    baptize: [Gr.baptizein, to immerse] 1. to administer baptism to 2. to initiate 3. to christen

    baptism: 1. the sacrament of admitting a person into a christian church by immersing the individual in water or by sprinkling water on the individual 2. an initiating experience

    with: 8. as a result of /faint with hunger/ 9. by means of (I took these two definitions, as there were many uses of this word, and these two were those to which fit the context: /baptize with water/, but feel free to enlighten be with a better definition of this word in this context.


    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
  3. michelle

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    Yes they didn't cut off anyone's ears for one thing.

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    No as far as I know they didn't. But they sure had a disdain for the deity of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and his word of truth. This to me is a more serious matter concerning this issue, considering they were in large part responsible for the underlying texts used and methods used for the mv's of today, claiming to be the words of God.


    Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
  4. Ed Edwards

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    Unfortunately it is not logical
    to suppose a restatement of your major premise
    will defeat an oponent's minor premise.
    Instead you must defeat your oponent's
    minor premises one-by-one. If you defeat
    all your oponent's minor premises,
    you show your major premise to be true.

    Here you need to say and prove:
    English sentence order never changes.

    And of course, spelling can change:
    \O/ Praise Iesus, Sonne of God \O/
     
  5. natters

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    michelle said "check out Westcott and Hort and those before them involved of their morals and beliefs, and concerning our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and you will see a very big difference." and "they sure had a disdain for the deity of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and his word of truth."

    This is completely untrue. Completely. Do not simply believe the false slander regurgitated time after time by those who don't know what they're talking about. Look into it for yourself and you will see that your statements are completely false.
     
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    Michelle's comment is true. Westcott and Hort were NOT saved. W/H are in Hell right now. Sad!
     
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    You mean like this?

    Or this?

    Or maybe this?

    (Quotes from The Historic Faith by B. F. Wescott.)
     
  8. Michael52

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    And I could say, "Yeah, W/H were welcomed to hell by those other Anglican scholars who got there before them; the KJV translators!"

    But I won't. I don't have any more authority to say who is or isn't in hell than you do, Askjo. Unless, you are up for a spot on the Judgement seat. But, I believe that position is already taken! :eek: :D ;)
     
  9. Ed Edwards

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    Amen, Brother Natters -- Preach it! [​IMG]

    Thank you for refreshing my bowels in
    the Lord today! May God be liberal
    today with blessing toward you,
    your family, and your ministy. Amen.

    \O/ Praise Iesus, Sonne of God \O/
     
  10. HankD

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    Bro Ed, I can see that you have been to the Great Physician!

    HankD
     
  11. natters

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    Askjo said "Michelle's comment is true. Westcott and Hort were NOT saved. W/H are in Hell right now."

    Michelle's comment is false. As are yours. If you would look into this for yourself, you would quickly learn that you have been lied to about these men.
     
  12. HankD

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    Michele, you have requested/required an answer concerning the teaching ministry which the Lord has allowed me. I have decided to answer this personal inquiry.

    I meet people where they are. The Lord did this as well, so I use His example. They use MV’s because my local Church invites all whatever version they use. I have explained my views to those with whom I review the Scriptures with. They are welcome to use whatever version they please. Sometimes I will have different people read a given passage from the different versions (usually NIV/NASB/NKJV). We haven’t had a problem yet. If there is a variant, I explain my view again and that I always choose the Traditional Text such as “pascha-Passover” instead of “easter”.

    People like the assurance of the proliferation of translations as did the KJV translators to show the “sense” of the Scriptures. I accommodate them.

    I do, He does.
    I ultimately go back to the Traditional Text, even the KJV does not follow it in every instance. The Traditional text is what John Burgon and others called “the River of Life” and I agree with him in this instance. I reject this nonsense about “polluted waters” vs “pure waters”. The KJV has it’s own bias towards the Anglo-Catholic doctrine. It matters not to me what you or any KJVO has to say concerning this matter which I have researched with prayer.

    Since you require an answer, here is the bottom line answer:
    I have to answer to and please my Lord michelle and not you or any other human being except my pastor as the Lord’s episcopos (overseer, NOT “bishop”). I try to make everything I do in my ministry a matter of prayer, thought and/or meditation and the ever-standing request for wisdom while listening for the still small voice of the Spirit. Yes, many drown out that voice with the voice of another, some telling them some very bizarre things.

    HankD
     
  13. Askjo

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    Westcott did not believe that Heaven is a place. Hort did not believe that the Christ is God. Do you think they are with the Lord in Heaven?
     
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    Askjo said "Westcott did not believe that Heaven is a place. Hort did not believe that the Christ is God."

    Complete untruths. Distortion, one might even say.

    Askjo said "Do you think they are with the Lord in Heaven?"

    I have no reason to believe otherwise.
     
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    YOU defend Westcott and Hort. However Westcott's books AND Hort's books said they did. Their books disagree with you. Their books refute you by saying, "complete untruths." You distorted their quotations in their books by saying, "complete untruths." Sorry, it is very obvious to show that you deceive yourself.
     
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    Askjo said "However Westcott's books AND Hort's books said they did."

    No they don't.

    Askjo said "Their books disagree with you."

    No they don't.

    Askjo said "Their books refute you by saying, "complete untruths.""

    No they don't.

    Askjo said "You distorted their quotations in their books"

    No I didn't.

    Stop the slander. Stop lying.
     
  17. Askjo

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    Because you are in denial. YOU ignore this evidences because you are still in denial.
    W/H's books did. Lying? Tell their books to STOP lies.
     
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    Askjo said "YOU ignore this evidences because you are still in denial."

    As of yet, no evidences have been presented. Only slander.

    Askjo said "W/H's books did. Lying? Tell their books to STOP lies."

    Which books? Do you even know of any?
     
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    You do
    not have the expertise to meaningfully
    say this. You have not cited an expert
    who might be able to meaningfully say this.
    Until you meet one of these criteria,
    you are wasting somebodies cyber-space
    and the time of the rest of us.
    Come on, this is a DEBATE forum,
    not a baseless speculation forum.

    :eek:
     
  20. Askjo

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    Do you not believe me? W/H wrote their 5 books.
     
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