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Featured Dangers of the Grace Movement

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by BillyShope, Jul 12, 2017.

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  1. Squire Robertsson

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    Nope, the Admin Council didn't like someone who came into our living room showing poor manners. He wasn't banned for his positions. He was banned for non-interaction This is a discussion board. Mr. Anderson didn't discuss. He held forth and seemingly expected the rest of us to kow-tow and accept his positions without question.
     
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    You got it! Only rarely would the pastor refer to a verse not found in the Pauline epistles. Incidentally, the book of Hebrews would not be a part of the Pauline epistles. Here, I remain in agreement. The pope decreed that Paul was the human author of Hebrews and most of the non-Catholic churches climbed on board.
     
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    I'm sorry. This comment refers to those in the Grace Movement and NOT to those associated with pastor Anderson.
     
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    That viewpoint would mean that water baptism not really part of the new Covenant, and that we would have the really weird deal with the Apostle peter claiming Paul as an Apostle, and yet that would not be accepted as to us! And since paul Himself quoted Like as being scripture,. would they have to include Luke/Acts also?
     
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    To me, the authority of Hebrews as Scripture does not depend on if Paul wrote it. It was "God-breathed." As such, Hebrews has the same authority as any of the other books in the Bible.
     
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    Best pastors I personally know never went to seminary. One who got a Doctorate refers to it as "his days in the cemetery."
    Yes, formal education is good, but not necessarily essential.
     
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    Yes, it's pretty weird. Grace Movement pastors never baptize. And, only those verses quoted by Paul are, to these people, meant for us. Their adoration of Darby and Scofield mean that they take great pride in their "understanding" of Second Timothy 2:15 and their version on "right division." Few members ever read the context of the Timothy verse nor do they consider the meaning of "word of truth."
     
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    Amen! I now enjoy my return to Hebrews and the Gospels.
     
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    You mean they post without using scripture isa8:20?
     
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    This seems like an odd adoration, since if they are correct Darby and Scofield were wrong.
     
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    On the flip side, many here post scriptures, but totally misunderstand with they mean!
     
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    Not a requirement, but the Lord has provided Seminaries and such to learn the languages, learn the scriptures, and developed tools for the ministry!
     
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    They want to do away with all things Jewish in the NT, so why even have Jesus still?
     
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    He also provided Bibles and The Spirit.
     
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    Its not an either/or, but both, as he has gifted to the church spiritual giants to have the pastors/teachers of today to learn from, in addition to the Bible.
     
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    The point I made is that many with advanced degrees look down on those who do not have them. It has been my observation that God can use a person in a mighty way, even though that person has no formal education. Many times a man with no formal education who is on fire for spreading the Gospel and ministering to the hurting is much more useful than a man with a double doctorate who would rather debate Calvinism and Study ancient Greek than engage in practical ministry.
     
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    The person who is om prayer and fully relying on the Holy Spirit enabling them is much better off than one who just has vast head knowledge!
     
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    It seems like the doctrinal statement of Grace Christian Fellowship is completely contradictory:

    How can they both claim that the Bible is the supreme and final authority and then say that only the writings of Paul are the supreme and final authority?
     
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    Bingo.
     
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    Since Paul was a well-learned Pharisee, it wouldn't be surprising that he wrote Hebrews.
     
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