Dead Spiritually

Hi Everyone;
I've been reading some of your post again I can't help but notice this term. Sure gets used a lot here.

I've been reasoning the use of this term and have read about it in the Bible. There is one place where death is described as the dead knowing nothing. I would agree in one sense this seems to be true except isn't being dead spiritually different than being dead physcially.

In Luke 16:20 there this parable that Christ told about Lazarus and the rich man. How they both died and went to different places. The thing that I thought of this morning is that even though dead the rich man could look into Abrahams bosom and see Lazarus there. the richman calls out to Abraham and ask that Lazarus be sent to him. Definetly a conversation going on and definetly evidence of hearing though he's dead.

May I suggest that this term dead spiritually is a figure of speach. In the sense that reasonably our spirit can't be dead or we would be dead for sure. Since the word "death" religiously means seperation. I would think this wouldn't be meant literally. But be meant figuratively. Possibly we are considered dead in sin. because this is where sin takes us.

This term also has a lot to do with Total Depravity. In that it is said that we are so depraved. That because of this depravity we aren't able to respond. Thus the term "spiritually dead". It doesn't make since to consider physical death as being anything like spiritual death. The second death is spiritual death and even then the dead are conscious able to feel pain. Those who will die a second time.Would have to have a cognitive ability in order to know they aren't in the presence of Christ and to experince the agony of hell. Though it is said that dead men know nothing we only see this from a life perspective. I'd be intrested in what you all have on this so that I might weigh both sides of the issue in my own determination as which is right.

May God Bless You All.
Mike

 

Hi tannerml;

I admit I'm no scholar but at the same time even though this scripture is about two different people and what happened to them after death is a story presented by Christ why should I assume that it's fictional ?.

Wouldn't you agree that if any part is fictional then this would be saying that there are things in God's word that just aren't true?

If there is anything in God's word that isn't true then maybe we should throw it out and not believe any of it.

Besides all of this I admit that I'm still learning and have made no claims of any special insite into scripture.

This scripture isn't what I'm adressing here nor is it these two men that Christ is speaking about. It's about the term "dead spiritually" and it's relation to Calvinism's claim that we are dead and can't hear the gospel.

I'm sorry if my approach broke some unspoken rule that I'm unaware of.I hope that you can forgive my inexperience.

May God Bless You.
Mike

 

Hi Me2;
A quote from you;

I realize that man is born in sin and is a sinner and without Christ is doomed. This is true of all men. Then Christ enters the picture and takes the sins of the world and dies providing an escape from death for man and all he has to do is have faith in Christ to have eternal life. Actually I agree with your post

Then you would agree the term "dead Spiritually" doesn't mean we can't hear or know of Salvation simply because of our seperation. because being dead spiritually isn't the same as dead physcially.

I hope I got this right. You are saying that the seperation, is seperation from God and not necessarily seperation from the body.

May God Bless You.
Mike

 

Hi Me2;
A quote from you;

My reply will be in a few days I have a little probablem at work I have to take care of so please be patient If you've ever had to deal with HUD You would understand.
Mat God bless You.
Mike

 

Hi tannerml;

Good question. First let me say I certainly hope neither of has anything to do with the devil.

To the point being dead spiritually, as I think of it, doesn't mean that I'm deaf and dumb or blind to spiritual things. In the since that it's a figure of speach says that man as in dead spiritually is like being dead physcially. IMHO this isn't so. we are dead in sin because we in our unsaved state are sperated from God. Not dead as the body is dead when it dies. The spirit never stops functioning even when seperated from God. This is why when we are dead spiritually we aren't dead literally. Dead means seperated,not disfunctional.

The day I was saved was just as sinfull as all the others in my past.In the moment I was saved there was an instant change in my life like no other. The reason I came to believe in Christ was conviction of who and what I was. In that moment I knew I needed Christ to clear away all the junk of sin. In the moment I confessed Christ, I became new. I'm not saying I haven't sinned since. I have but as Paul said I die daily to sin. The things that have changed are the way things look how problems that come up in life are always best solved with prayer. How I see others in that every person on earth has a soul, that can be saved just like me. Believe me, If I can be saved anyone can be.

My out look on life use to be how much can I make. This was my idea of success. Now it's what can I do for the lord. I no longer fool myself into thinking I'm better than anyone else on any level. It's changed my life for the better. I'm no longer depressed when someone else gets that promotion. Now I'm happy for them and I feel no resentment for it. Being saved has freed me from all the strife that is sin. If you think about it all sin brings strife.

To discover truth is not the good of the one who discovers but the one who told the truth is where the good comes from.As my salvation came about it wasn't because of anything I did that was good. I heard the truth and considered what was said. Then confessed Christ and asked for his mercy to forgive me and to give me grace. My actions were for self preservation. I didn't want to die in my sin and not be with Christ. I wanted the change that the pastor talked about. I realize that my best up to that point was really bad.

May God Bless You.
Mike