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Death Panels You Say?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by OldRegular, Mar 7, 2013.

  1. FollowTheWay

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    I respond to the comments that are posted. If people are saying things differently than they did 3 years ago they should take a look at whether they are consistent in theiur perspective. And actually, I have voted for both democrats and republicans for president. Can you say the same thing? I vote the man not necessarily the party. Actually, I don't support the erosion of our civil liberty under either party. I think I've come across as being too partician myself. But when facing what seems to be a stone wall of republican-only support I do seem to be strongly democratic.
     
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    I've been pretty consistent. My brother is a Navy hero and there's no way I'm going to embarrass him by getting arrested at a war protest.

    I voted democrat my whole life, until John Kerry was nominated. Voted for Bush that year and crossed my fingers. Voted Constitution, and libertarian. I supported Gary Johnson this last election. I am socially more liberal than a lot of democrats, and fiscally more conservative than republicans.

    Clinton(s), Gore, Kerry, Howard Dean, just off the top of my head, wanted war with Iraq since 1993. Clinton killed 500,000 Iraqis with the evil U.N. imposed sanctions on that country. (How do you feel about economic sanctions ?)

    This is a bi-partisan war. No party is clean. Let's stop blaming each other and work to eliminate these neo-con warmongers. In both parties. (If you REALLY want the war to end)
     
  3. Revmitchell

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    uh huh..............
     
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    http://factcheck.org/2012/09/scary-medicare-claims/



    It was Palin who started the "death panel" stipulations in Obamacare, and they're not there.


    Here, Romney calls Obamacare a "government takeover of health care" and politifact gave it the "lie of the year" in 2010: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-calls-obamas-health-care-law-government-tak/

    http://obamacarefacts.com/obama-care-fact-check.php (these next two quotes are from this link.



     
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    IPAB Is an Acronym for ‘Death Panel’

    Contemplating the 2012 election that can already be seen looming on the distant horizon, the President’s advisors were no doubt hoping that the “death panel” debate was… well… dead. But Obama himself inadvertently resurrected it when, in response to Republican budget proposals, he claimed that Medicare costs will be kept under control by the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB). Obamacare opponents have been screaming about this committee since it was first added to the “reform” bill. And, since that time, anyone with the temerity to call it by its proper name — death panel — has been vilified by the Democrats and the “news” media. Nonetheless, that’s precisely what IPAB will be. Its sole purpose is to cut funding for some health care services seniors now take for granted. And those cuts will kill people...



    http://spectator.org/archives/2011/04/22/ipab-is-an-acronym-for-death-p
     
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    Former Obama Adviser: 'We Need Death Panels'

    The center-left fact-checking site Politifact, though, called Palin's "death panel" post the “lie of the year” in 2009.

    Nearly three years later, The Washington Post’s “fact-checker,” Glenn Kessler, who tried to falsely claim that Marc Thiessen was wrong when he wrote Obama had missed nearly half of his daily intelligence briefings because Obama got the reports on his iPad, accused Palin of not even “quoting herself correctly” when Palin did. Kessler then wrote “Palin is fooling herself if she thinks she can justify such inappropriate terminology to describe an effort, however imperfect, to address a serious problem that politicians on both sides of the aisle say they want to solve.”

    Kessler felt the need to fact-check Palin again on June 27 of this year after Palin's Facebook post before the Supreme Court ruled Obamacare was constitutional because it was a tax.

    Last Friday, conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh said the reason why the mainstream media and the left went apoplectic over Palin’s words was because “she was right.”

    “She revealed what was supposed to be a hidden truth,” Limbaugh said.


    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/02/Former-Obama-Adviser-We-Need-Death-Panels
     
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    No way. Both the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq shouyld be laid right at the feet of Bush and Cheney. Certainly Obama had nothing to do with starting thewse wars of agression. That's ridiculous.
     
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    Yeh uh....
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPTwsMEiI0g

    Bush saying that we are no longer worried about bin Laden. Of course not. The real reason for all of this was to occupy Iraq. This was 6 months after 9/11!
     
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    Extreme liberal revisionism
     
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    That is simply not true, and the more you perpetuate that lie, the further we get from peace.

    Bush and Cheney could not start a war. They needed congressional approval to ignore the constitution, and go to war without declaration. Educate yourself. Or remain ignorant. Your choice.

    Since 2006, the democrats have had the power to cut the funding, yet won't.

    You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.
     
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    Thanks for that post. Yes, there is plenty of blame to go around. That is what happens when either branch (legislative or executive) or either party (Democrat or Republican) does not follow the Constitution and use common sense in executing a war. Besides declaring war, the two guiding principles of leadership is that 1. you use any means at your disposal to obtain a quick victory 2. Once a victory is secure, exit quickly. Do not stay 50 years rebuilding a country. If one cannot follow those principles then do not go to war.
     
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    I think John Kerry summed up the mentality of the putative anti-war liberals best when he said....

    "I was for the war, before I was against it."

    They've been double-speaking since.

    Oh, by the way, I was a fool to vote for Bush.
     
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    I was one of his most vocal critics in 2004. My problem with the Bushes goes back to Reagan picking Bush the First for VP. I think Reagan was an excellent President, but that decision was a mistake.

    I think 1988 was the first election that I felt totally without a choice. Finally, in 1992, I voted for one of the two Democrats I have ever voted for, which was a mistake also. (Carter in 76 was the other). I just could not bring myself to vote for the "read my lips" again. Then, in 2000, I had higher hopes for the second Bush. Also, Gore was such an idiot I voted for this Bush also. The pattern continued, except that in 2004, again, I just could not bring myself to vote for Kerry. So that was the third time I had voted for a Bush. Anyway, by the end of 2008, the results of Bush were quite clear. So call me a fool also, as in 2008 I voted for McCain with a clothes pin over my nose and we have been over 2012 ad nauseum.

    All we can do is hope for better choices in both parties in 2016, or a third party that has a chance.
     
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    Ever hear about the arcane act called fillibustering? It takes more than a majority to do anything in Congress because the Republicans stated objective is to block everything the Democrats support.
     
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    The first thing you should do is to use diplomacy to the greatest extent possible rather than to wade in and strat killing people for no good reason.
     
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    That might be the stupidest excuse I have yet heard.

    Anyhoo, I don't waste time with the purposefully ignorant. I'll leave you to your delusions. Have a nice night.
     
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    When you are not even willing to work on anything with the Republicans and tell them "they can come along for the ride but they have ride in the back of the bus."
     
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    Never happened.....
     
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