Death penalty for fellow Christians

Death penalty

After the crusades, I wouldn't condone it. If they have a conscience let them deal with murder in prison until God takes them and deals with them.

If the government does have it, I will deal with it existence for the purpose of peace.

I use to believe in it, but people in the past have done some hanus things with it.

I do believe that Vengeance is the Lords.

 

My statement from Numbers 35 has to do with executing a proven murderer, not an innocent person. The death penalty is based on gen 9:6....it is those who are proven to be guilty.
Lawful human government should have safe guards in place so as to not execute innocent persons.
Any false witness, or deliberate execution of any innocent person will be found guilty by God.

We have no right to set aside God's commands as if we offer a better way then he has given us. Allsuch carnal reasonings are sinful.

 

You shall not commit adultery.

Many carnel minded people would love to have their spouse stoned to death for cheating on them, but i quess that is different from murder?

 

was God sinning in the OT when He "graced' david from captial penalty?

was jesus when the woman in adultry was not stoned ?

 

No, God knows our end and where we will be, so let God bring us where He wants us to be not us.

No one should go unpunished in this world, but there is better way's than the death penalty.

 

Just as this string has illustrated, the Death Penalty is a tough subject to reconcile! So, before the Death Penalty can ever be dealt with, people must deal with their position, as related to God.

First and foremost, God created everything we see or touch, including ourselves. (Gen. 1 & 2, John 1:1-3) If I purchase an R/C Flight System and build a wood and plastic Airplane or Glider, I am the owner of the product by Common Law. In like manor, God owns you, I and everything in this universe, even the Model Plane I built with His materials! You see, no matter how we struggle with it, God is absolutely sovereign.

Now, I am presently reading the book of Luke on my one year study of the scriptures and in Luke 11:20 we find that the Kingdom of God is not coming but rather, that is, in fact, come upon us right now. The King, Jesus, is your ruler and please note, He is not the President of some democracy, He is King of the Monarchy that rules, not governs, Heaven and the Kingdom of God.

Many are they that incorrectly contend that the New Testament has superseded the Bible Jesus used and taught from, the Old Testament and the God of the Old Testament is no more! This is a great theological problem. In John 1:1-3 we see that Jesus is the God of both Testaments and in Mic. 3:6a we find that God never has nor ever will change!

So you do not like Gen. 9:6, you have a problem that you needed to solve years ago. How much do you intend to obey the King? Any disobedience is sin and unrepented sin is punishable by death, the Second or Eternal death!

I will go so far as to agree that the laws, everywhere there is the ability to use DNA need to be changed. A man or woman should not be sentenced to Death, today, without DNA proof or no less than two eye witnesses. But, above all else, we will either realize we live in, for and because of the Kingdom of God. Anything less than obedience to the Complete Word of God means we are entering into Eternity through the Wide Gate and that leads to the Second Death.

May God touch your hearts and open your Spiritual Eyes and Ears!

 

Hebrews 7:
11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. 13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. 14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. 15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is declared:
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

 

You are side stepping the issues here
[QUOTEI obey the commands of my Lord.
][/QUOTE]

Ok....here are two of them
1] 5And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

6Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

2] 30Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person to cause him to die.

31Moreover ye shall take no satisfaction for the life of a murderer, which is guilty of death: but he shall be surely put to death.

33So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it.

Here are two commands that have not been rescinded...obey them all you want....but to rebel against the commands of God is not wise.

ok conform your mind to these passages.

..this is a falsehood in direct contradiction to the clear word of romans 13;

This is what christians are to obey. It is not up to you to speculate what example might be left for us to figure out however we want.
The government does not bear the sword in vain...they execute wrath on those who do evil......no red herring here.:thumbs:

Demonic muslims who execute christians will be in hell as soon as they leave their body.It is not lawful to execute a believer who has not broken God's law. The ungodly muslim, or whoever else breaks any of the ten commandments....much less murder...will give account at the white throne.

 

Standing against the death penalty is to stand against the command of God.

 

believe that under the Grace/new Covenant era, that the death penalty is allowed/permitted by God, NOT required as under OT system though...

 

The problem many times when we say permitted it sounds like we are saying it makes no difference. That is not the case. God did not give it in the OT because He was being harsh. That is His position on how we are to handle murderers. If we claim to be united to Him then we should follow that which is His ways. The death penalty is His way to handle murderers. To not follow this is to stand against God as we think we know a better way.

 

That is why i said that God ordained it for capital crime/sin of Murder, but can still do the "Spirit" not letter of the law in His dealings with man...

To me the lord still allows/permits this today, butalso allows for garce to NOT do it, IF there aere/are "mitigating" circumstances, such was in deep south in 60's, where blacks were MUCH more likely to get death penalty for saem crime compared to whites!

 

Wow, I would hate to hear your opinion of me.

A life without parole is still "life". It is not a death sentence, but simply a sentence to live out your life in relative ease with 3 meals, a clean bed, and showers and workout time. Sure, it's not as easy as life outside (for most anyway. See http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/man-robs-bank-medical-care-jail-143625999.html ) but it's still easy.

For those of you who keep touting that we should "show mercy", what about showing mercy on the victim's family (or victim, in the case of a class x felony)? When I was younger, an acquaintance of mine killed both his grandparents. He was a teenager, and admitted to shooting them both. Several people in the church he attended had the fear that he would get out with a light sentence, and then would come after them. For most people, the fear was irrational, he had no interest in them. But what about a rape victim? She/He would have to live with the fear that person will one day get out and come back to them. What about the family of a murder victim? They will have to live either with the same fear, or with the knowledge that the person who murdered their loved one now lives in ease (admittedly, a resticted ease, but ease none the less)?

If God decides to show mercy on a murderer, then that is His right. We do not have that same right, however. We must simply carry out what not only God has ordained (and I've seen no proof yet that this commandment was rescinded), but also what our laws have proclaimed. And our laws are different than those quoted before. Our laws have checks and balances to ensure with as much accuracy as possible that no innocents are jailed/killed. And it is my opinion that more often the guilty party is released than an innocent is condemned. (OJ Simpson, anyone? (Opinion, I know.))