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  1. webdog

    webdog Active Member
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    Can something die that was never born or never existed? How and why.
     
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  2. blackbird

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    The first part of your question is

    Yes!!! A Human Fetus is not yet born---yet upon abortion---it dies!!! So something can die that was never born.

    The second part---can something die that never existed??

    Webby---son!!! It don't take a Rocket Scientist to answer that one!!!!:laugh: :type:
     
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  3. webdog

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    Maybe "born" wasn't the best word to use in the OP :)

    Here it is rephrased: Can something die that has not come to life first?
     
    #3 webdog, Nov 28, 2007
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    your question reads to me something referring to predestinatino...since God already know who/what would come into existence before the Beginning, if he changed his minds a few times before that then techinically yes the person he thought of then decided not to has died in the manner of which ytou speak of....that assumes of course that God merely has to imagine someone to create them!
     
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  5. I Am Blessed 24

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    Wellllll. I can plant a tulip bulb and it can die in the ground without ever coming to life. I ruin more bulbs that way! :BangHead:
     
    #5 I Am Blessed 24, Nov 29, 2007
  6. Dr. Bob

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    Dying takes living. A rock never dies (it may change shape/structure and rearrangement of molecular structure) because it never possessed life.

    Even a sinful soul, that has never had 'spiritual' life, will die. But it has had LIFE, just not spiritual life.
     
    #6 Dr. Bob, Nov 29, 2007
  7. Amy.G

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    Catchy title. Is there a point to this thread? :)
     
    #7 Amy.G, Nov 29, 2007
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    There is. I was just meditating on a couple things "faith without works is dead" and "the soul that sins shall surely die".
     
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    If dying takes living...how can a spirit (or soul...I don't believe in the tri-part makeup of man), which never had life, "die"? How can the immaterial part of man die without having once lived? This doesn't make much sense.
     
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    Did the bulb ever contain life in the first place?
     
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    When God breathed life into Adam "man became a living soul". All men have souls. Hence man has a "living" soul.

    But "spiritual" life of the soul is something different. So all men die, their souls, if regenerated, live in eternal glory to God. If unregenerated, their soul dies in eternal glory to God.
     
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    I would be interested in seeing Scripture for this view.
     
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  13. Amy.G

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    Ok. :thumbs:

    I thought we were playing a game or something. :laugh:
     
    #13 Amy.G, Nov 29, 2007
  14. I Am Blessed 24

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    If it did, it sure didn't for very long! :(
     
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    webdog.. you may have stumbled onto the the problem of not believing in a tri-partite being...

    The Spirit is the life of the soul, as the soul is the life of the Body.
    The soul is alive... it gives life to the Body.
    Our spirit only gives the soul temporary life...
    When the Holy Spirit comes into a soul, it gives it eternal life.

    So yes a soul can die... (eternally seperated from God) if that soul never Has the Holy Spirit placed in it.

    This is one reason I believe in a tripartite being... also, the fact that we were made in the image of God.. who also has 3 parts... The Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost.
     
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    Spirit and Soul are used interchangeably in Scripture. I see them as two side of the same coin (immaterial part of man). I have heard the Temple and Trinity comparison to human makeup, but I'm not sold on that explanation. That's apples and oranges. Scripture also breaks us down into heart, soul and mind, too. That would make us...um... five-partite beings? :)
     
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    1 Thessalonians 5:23
    Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
     
    #17 Nonsequitur, Nov 29, 2007
  18. I Am Blessed 24

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    We are a SOUL.

    We have a SPIRIT.

    We live in a BODY.
     
    #18 I Am Blessed 24, Nov 29, 2007
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    Hebrews 4:12
    For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
     
    #19 Nonsequitur, Nov 29, 2007
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    Hey webdog, we agree on something.:wavey: I see the term soul occasionally used interchangably with spirit, and sometimes as a reflection of the entire person; his/her whole being. I believe that is the jest of the I Thess. 5 passage, Nonsequitur.

    Concerning the op, "faith without works in dead" is not the same thing as saying "faith without works has died". It is clearly a metaphorical use here.

    From my lexical aides; "...a dead faith unaccompanied by good works and is, therefore, unprofitable (v.16,17) and unable to justify (v.20,21) and unable to save (v.14).

    peace to you both:praying:
     
    #20 canadyjd, Nov 29, 2007
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