Dick Cheney weighs in.....

"The President and I cannot prevent certain politicians from losing their memory, or their backbone – but we're not going to sit by and let them rewrite history."

Great line!!

 

I think you are correct RSR they have gone into what they have called "Campaign Mode" which will only trigger the Dems to come out swinging and next thing you know it's a huge fight and no one wins...

It's sad to see this type of actions. Is this what our Forefathers wanted when they build this nation? I tend to think not.

The Dems and Reps are both lying, cheating, spinning the truth.

When will WE, as Christians start standing up for people depending ONLY on their truth and faith, and not which party they belong to.

I have been reading my Bible and I haven't ran across one verse that states the Dems or Reps are better than each other.

If We can't pull ourselves together, and we are suppose to be Christians, how can we begin to think that every one else will come together in Christ?

I am a new member to this forum, but it's times like this I wish a Christian forum had no Political forums. It brings out the worse in all of us I feel.

Jamie

 

I agree here. As a matter of fact, I think it is interesting that there are some Democrats saying the same thing as Cheney who also campaigned for Bush last year like Dick Morris, Ed Koch, and Zell Miller.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Could it be that the democrats that were all for regime change in Iraq see this republiscam administration's poll numbers plowing the bottom and are trying to kiss up to the public now?

I think 95% of all politicians are pathetic parasites. There are few with any ethics at all.

 

Jamie,

thats extremely funny that you'd say that about our forefathers.

Have you ever read about the controversies that went on amongst the forefathers when they were hashing out the constitution?

It was nothing but heated debate! There was MUCH "fighting" going on.


When certain people are wrongly criticizing the administration by twisting facts, the President and Cheney have the right and the duty to stand up and correct the record. I saw no place where Cheney called anyone any names, or even where he tried to be inflammatory or condescending. He was straightforwardly presenting the facts. I see no problem with this.

 

the argument is that history was rewritten before anyone saw the documents in the first place.

 

No kidding. Its laughable to watch Christians who think "conservatism = Christianity" or vice versa.

 

I agree here. As a matter of fact, I think it is interesting that there are some Democrats saying the same thing as Cheney who also campaigned for Bush last year like Dick Morris, Ed Koch, and Zell Miller.

Joseph Botwinick </font>[/QUOTE]Hum... Since I have mentioned several times that ALL politicans are lying, and spinning the truth, doesn't it make sense that when I said ALL, I meant Dem and Reps?

You see, here is the difference's between me and you, as far as I can tell. I am neither a Dems or Reps, I vote the best man, you however are very much a Rep. and it shows in your postings.

I look at things openly, and you look at things from the Right. For that reason, on this topic we will have to agree to disagree, because we each have our opinion, and won't really get anywhere debating them.

Jamie

 

Our Forefathers fought for our Rights, and This Country. If the fights were about getting basic Food, Shelter, and Health Care, Normal Living Arrangements, getting the Homeless off the Streets, Then, it would be a fight worth debating.


Politicans today fight for "Air Time" and the Best "One Liner's" It's very hard to find a politican that is fighting for the right causes now a days.


It's it funny how when these cycles, yes, even the White House calls them cycles, but when these cycles start, all of a sudden everyone is using the same verbage. Currently it's "rewriting history"

If these guys were really, and I mean *REALLY* fighting for what they thought was right, then you wouldn't see votes/fights/and one liners come straight across party lines.

So, I stick with my opinion, the "fights" we have now a days are NOT what the Forefights wanted, and not what they would have fought about.

Jamie

 

JamieinNH,

You seem to pride yourself in being a middle roader and not taking a stand for a correct philosophical view based on Biblical principals.

There is a reasonable connection between concervatism and Republicanism. And the parties are fairly split down religious lines, ie, the Republicans generally are for God, self determination, small govt., large defense capability, etc, and Democrats are for a Godless society, big govt., social programs forever, social class divisions, small defense capabilities, etc.

If you can't tell the differences between the Dem's and Rep's in lying, you're spinning your wheels.

I have been reading my Bible and I haven't ran across one verse that states the Dems or Reps are better than each other.
how silly, grow up.

I am a new member to this forum, but it's times like this I wish a Christian forum had no Political forums. It brings out the worse in all of us I feel. You certainly shouldn't be on this particular forum then.

 

I wish that Bush and Cheney would reverse roles. I voted for GW twice but never really cared for him that much. He wasnt my choice in the primary. But the alternatives in the Democratic party are enough to make me cringe. GW's inarticulateness and inability to make cogent arguements is frustrating. Cheney said in a few paragraphs what Bush hasnt been able to convey to the American people, the press and the democrats in four years.

 

"I have been reading my Bible and I haven't ran across one verse that states the Dems or Reps are better than each other.'----------------------------------------------------------------------

I wonder why? It does not say anyting about abortion either, so I guess we should not argue about that either? emm, one party is completely for abortion and Gay marriage, and the other party is against it, and we are supposed to believe a professional fence sitters assertion that one party is just as good a the other? And the world continues to turn.

I am a new member to this forum, but it's times like this I wish a Christian forum had no Political forums. It brings out the worse in all of us I feel.

"I am a new member to this forum, but it's times like this I wish a Christian forum had no Political forums. It brings out the worse in all of us I feel."------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah, censor those big mouthed christians before they lose there innosence! Get em out of polotics, they need to stand quitely by and let the world run the world!

 

This is either the biggest generalization I have ever seen, or it is an outright lie.

You Republicans are just as adept at lying as are us Democrats, but feel free to live in your make-believe world.

 

You are deluded in your thinking if you can defend your party as you seem to be, Terry_Herrington. Republicans have been doing almost nothing but defending themselves since GWB took office. The Democrats have put out lie after lie, and inuendos, and misstatements non stop since GWB took office. The Bush administration has let it go on and on and it's about time they start quoting back the lies from the evil leftists.

Republicans do not intentionally lie and your continued assertions that the President lies are straight from the pit. No believer should fall for the kind of evil spewed today from your once great party. The Democrats on the other hand have made lying a nearly believable political platform upon which the vote of the nation will pivot. Shame on any believer that chooses to stay in the democratic party.

 

Democrates clearly get the award for best liars. And given that they were kicking up there heals about troop withdrawels and then only 3 voted for it also qualifys them for biggest opportunists.

 

You know, you mention one thing that was correct, but before I get to that, let me comment on a few things you have said.

Yes, if "middle of the road' is what you want to call me, then, I am it. I believe in working in Christ, which in my opinion means working together. You can't get anywhere by working against people.


You mention that I am silly for bring up a point that our political system isn't in the Bible, and since that is what I try to live my life by, it's WHAT MATTERS THE MOST!

Call it silly if you will, but I tend to think about my actions a lot more than I used to, and with that in mind, I tend to Read and Think about my BIBLE when I do consider things. If it don't mention it in the Bible, then it must not be important. I mean, you don't think God left parts out do you?

Now, the correct statement you made in all of that. I shouldn't be in this forum. I just get tired of people bashing each other when it's not Christain Like. You can count on me not posting to Polictics anymore though.. You have fun bashing people, but remember.. God is watching.

You brother in Christ,

Jamie

 

Cheer up JamieinNH, It's just another day in the Land of Oz. BTW you probably will get attacked on the News forums and the Political forums from the extreme Rightwingnuts but don't take it personel.
Forgive them for they know not how to debate.

Peace and Goodwill to you Brother