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DID AMERICA'S HETEROSEXUAL, NUCLEAR FAMILY SINS CAUSE 9-11? PROBABLY!

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by vaspers, Mar 20, 2004.

  1. Jailminister

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  2. vaspers

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    john 6:63 I understand your basic concept, that as Twila Paris sings, "God is in control."

    But God does not "approve" everything that happens to individuals or nations.

    God did not "approve" Adam and Eve sinning in the garden.

    God did not "approve" Lucifer's rebellion.

    God does not "approve" a child molestor's horrible acts.

    God does not "approve" crack dealers selling to grade school kids.

    God does not "approve" people blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

    I think I've made my point.

    God endures these things because He gave humans free will.

    God suffers as He watches us do despicable acts. He is not putting His stamp of approval on the occult, rape, violence, war, mental illness, dangerous anti-depressant drugs (see new report today), atheism, etc.

    What God approves is the study, practice and preaching of His Word, His instruction manual for human entities.

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  3. john6:63

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    Maybe the word “approved” isn’t what I was looking for, so I’ll try and explain better. I agree man is responsible for his actions, but God is also sovereign over ALL. Many people think that man is responsible for his actions in spite of God being sovereign, but the Bible would say, or indicates to me anyway, that it is because of God’s sovereignty.

    As far as your list goes concerning the garden, child molestors…etc, it is impossible for us to fully understand the relationship between God’s sovereignty and the choices man makes. Only God knows how they work hand and hand. But Jesus says to Peter in John 13:7, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter. One day we will understand fully this relationship God has with man!

    In addition, man chooses to suppress the truth and live in rebellion to God, so God being sovereign, hands man over to his sinful nature and unfortunately innocent people are harmed, even good Christian people. I keep reminding myself that God isn’t man and God operates outside of our dimensions of space and time. God sees the beginning and the end all at one time. He knows the choices we make and the outcome of those choices before we even make those choices.
     
  4. Paul of Eugene

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    GrannyGumbo, what do you want the government to do to that pair of sodomites?

    - Stand by and let thugs bash them without fear of legal problems?

    - Arrest them and throw them in jail?

    What do you have in mind?
     
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    Yeah, sure, I'm sure that's what she had in mind. :rolleyes:
     
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    Now you really don't want to know my answer, do ya Paul? If God calls sodomy an abomination, why would I do any different?
     
  7. vaspers

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    To add or subtract from God's Word, to preach "another" Jesus, or "another" gospel, are also abominations to God.

    yet how lax we sometimes are about "extra-biblical" additions and One Eyed, Mary-strengthening Jesus in a certain film by a certain Road Warrior Patriot Braveheart Lethal Weapon. Sorrry. Wrong thread. Right church, wrong pew potato chip.
     
  8. Jailminister

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    Paul of Eugene. What do we do with adulterers, fornicators, drunks, etc. In fact what do we do with all unbelievers? First of all we reject their lifestyle and next we witness to them without becoming part of them. God knows who His children are but we do not, so our responsiblity is to all.
     
  9. Johnv

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    I don't think that God "protects" or "condemns" a nation like the U.S. as a whole. Instead, I believe he protects individuals. That being said, it is right and worthy to thank God for bounty, and ask God for blessings. Jesus made a point when healing the blind man to show that God does not hold an individual responsible for the sins of those who went before him (the people believed his blindness was because of the sins of his parents). Besides, even if the blind man's condition was the price of sin, Jesus paid that price, making his blindnedd nothing more than a result of an imperfect world.
     
  10. vaspers

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    Johnv: okay now open your Bible (I know you will) and look at the OT and see how God did indeed protect nations and also removed protection from nations, and not just Israel.

    Look at Psalms, repeated declarations of how God protects and blesses righteous People and righteous Nations, and brings His wrath down on wicked People and wicked Nations.

    Individuals...and Nations, johnv.

    You can't miss it. You respect God's Word. You're bound to see it writ large in the scriptures.

    I know...I also dislike people blaming God or sin in a frivolous or hate-mongering manner.

    Some Baptist preachers say "God hates queers. God uses AIDS to kill queers."

    I hate to even quote those hate-monger statements.

    God hates hypocritical preachers far more than gay marriages and abortions.

    Jesus condemned harshly the Pharisees, not the prostitutes.

    so we are probably more on the same page than you might realize.

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    God does hate those who shed innocent blood and sodomy is an abomination to Him. You will find aids in Rom 1:27b(KJBible). God hates all "workers" of iniquity(Ps 5:5KJB). We're to hate those things that God hates if we are His child. May the Lord give us more men who preaches against these things.
     
  12. Jim Ward

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    AMEN Sister Granny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    [​IMG] Warm southern greetings, Jim Ward~How can a man who loves God be offended by what God says? If you love your neighbor, you will tell them the truth. My pastor loves me enough to preach the evil out of me! [​IMG]

    Too many folks are afraid they'll "offend" someone & hardly anyone believes that God don't hate. I reckon they think there was a big ol'smiley face on the side of the Ark saying "Smile [​IMG] God loves you", when He drowned billions. And those who weren't taking part in sodomy in S&G also burned, because they chose to ignore the sodomites. "Live & let live" is the motto of today as it was then. When will we ever learn? :confused:

    AmeriKa has been feminized, sodomized, & paganized. God hates sinners and would call them to repentance. Most preachers are too terrified to preach the truth about sodomy, fornication, etc. He might cause some sinners to leave. (More people equals more $$$, ya know.) :rolleyes:

    "Who will rise up for me against the evil doers?..." Thank God for men like yourself & others who are not skeered to offend a filthy, vile sinner with the truth of God's word. Keep on keeping on. [​IMG]
     
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    Where Was God On 9-11
     
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    I hate it when you make me think. I have done a bit of researching on this. Thanls for encouraging me to do the footwork on this. It was rather enlightening.

    The Hebrew word gowy (translated "nation") referrs to a massing of people, or a group of people, in the broad sense. It doesn't mean "country" as in the political governmental definition we have today. To the best of our 21st century understanding, an OT nation could refer to a tribe, in the broad sense. In the strictest biblical sense, a "nation" (gowy) could be used to describe a broad group of congregations with like beliefs. Of course, today, we refer to that as a church, but "church" and "congregation" are an NT concept, not an OT concept.
     
  16. Jim Ward

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    Once again Sister Granny.... AMEN!!!!!!!!!

    More and more we can go through the pages of the Bible and see just how our modern day world and modern day mainstream "Christianity" takes part in the whole "live and let live" fallacy that helped destroy other cultures and such in the Bible and which I am sure has helped bring about some of what has happened here on our own soil in recent years, and yet what do these mainstreem, refuse to be Biblical "Christians" do? They keep going right on down the slippery slope of compromise and love of, and praise from the world.

    Come Lord Jesus, come!


    Jim
     
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    [​IMG] </font>[/QUOTE]There are many things for which 'Al Qaida' and other muslim or otherwise terrorist groups hate america, among them are the things you cite. As for 'Al Qaida' the paramount reason is that of the decadence emitted from America and her 'civil' liberties that permits abominations against God to occur, not limited to homosexuality, but the whole gamit seen paraded by freedom loving Americans, who by the way rejoice more in the fact of their 'freedom' to not attend church than the blessing to be able attend and worship as they choose [​IMG]

    Granny, Keep feeding us Bible dear Sister. The word of God never returns to him void; even if we hard hearted but free Americans don't listen to the message and try to ostricize the messenger.

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