Did God Cause 9-11-01?

Well, I went to your web site.

Seems you have it misnamed. Shouldn't it be called THE true church dot com? You all don't agree with anyone on the planet except the others of your little cult, do you?

I'm sure it's going to be a lot of fun having you around for as long as you stay.

Hehehe!!!

 

Oh hey!!

BTW there true believer....I have a little publication on the Internet, compliments of a friend.

PRIVATE INTERPRETATION AND FRUITCAKE

Why doncha gowan over and read it. Sounds like yer bud, Mr. Fish, belongs right in this crowd.

Happy Reading!!

Ed the Papist.

 

'In my opinion I believe that Almighty God was giving Americans a wake-up call to return to Him in faith. In my lifetime I have seen America 'kick the Lord out of the schools, {like Bible in the library and a daily reading at the beginning of the school day. My elders used to do this} and then they wonder why students have no guiding light when teachers hands a tied in even being a witness to the Gospel.

Homosexuality used to be laughed at by heterosexuals and as a kid I never heard the word abortion. Our T.V. programming is very poor, content wise, and violence is portrayed many times in just one evenings sitting.

Although I am thankful for our relative security in my beloved nation, it seems to me that Americans trust in the military power of America rather than acknowledging God's great power over us in keeping us safe from our adversaries.

In many cases youth today will walk right past adults unless you say Hi to them first. They either look down on older people or simply don't care to communicate. Is this an indication of our depersonalized American society?

Did the Lord God allow the Jews to be killed in 70 A.D. in Jerusalem? Did their blood run red in the streets of His beloved city? Did the Lord disperse His own people into all of the then known world?

If God did not Providentially allow 9--11 then He is no longer in control of all things in our world. The evil one placed this wicked idea into the hearts of the Muslims, but God used this to open our eyes as to how fast and how far down the road to destruction Americans are moving.

For a couple of weeks people thought about God's power and authority; I personally saw and was part of college youth saying prayers and pledging allegiance to the American flag at Penn State University, the Fogelsville branch. I am afraid we are again back into our old routine of just occasionally, 'tipping our hat to the Lord' and that's about it.

I feel sorry for the nearly 3,000 souls that died on that day and have prayed for their families many times. So many people were greviously hurt by this American loss. But, do we hurt as much for those who died this past week in Sauda Arabia? We should.

I as a pastor believe that the Lord is telling His church {Christians} that He is about to return for His own people in the cloud. [I Thess. 4:17]

Do I believe that God killed the people in the Twin Towers? Without any doubt, yes. Will we listen to His shouting in our ears, or will we be like the Israelites, who seldom really heard or acted on what He was saying to them?

Jesus is not only like the portrait picture with Him carrying the small lamb in His arms; He also acts in anger toward those who have ignored or rejected His call to a faith--trust in Jesus Christ.' [Hebrews 10:30-31]

'Vengeance belongeth to Me . . . . It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.'

'Knowing the terror of the Lord, we persuade men . . . ' [II Corinthians 5:11]

Pastor Ray Berrian, Th.D.

 

Pastor Ray,

You said:

Did the Lord God allow the Jews to be killed in 70 A.D. in Jerusalem? Did their blood run red in the streets of His beloved city? Did the Lord disperse His own people into all of the then known world?

IMO, yes, he did allow the Jews to be slain in 70 A.D. because they did not accept His Son as Savior, and continued to do animal sacrafices. So He let the Romans take apart their temple.

Working for Jesus,

 

Immediately after 9/11, I read many posts that were VERY ADAMANT that God would NEVER cause such a tragedy, because "GOD IS LOVE". There were just as many that were bound to believe that it was God that initiated the whole affair, and no other reason could account for it.

My personal belief is that it was a "wake-up call" and God ALLOWED it. No proof that I'm right, so I'll not be adamant about it. By the same token, there's no PROOF that any of the other scenarios are correct either, so don't get your(collective "YOUR") dander up when someone disagrees.

Now since we know that God is in total control, AND we apply the lessons from Job, we can be certain that the LEAST God did was allow the disaster.

Too many people forget that the picture of Jesus "with the lamb" is just one side of the same coin; the other side being "the judge of all nations".

 

tamborine lady,

My questions about Jerusalem and 70 A.D. were retorical questions.

I know He caused the deaths of the Israelites and their flight from the city.

Ray

 

My thoughts? Suffice it to say that there is an unfortunate number of people who simply lack the ability to discern between what God ALLOWS and God CAUSES.

I suppose next you'll be telling me that God made my ex-wife cheat on me and shack up with her lover.

 

"I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I the LORD, do all these things." Is. 45:7

 

The essence of man having the freedom to choose to sin or not to sin is a continuous biblical thread. Romans 8 connects the frustration of our creation to our sin. All evil is the result of sin. God did not cause 9-11, man did. God will not prevent a man from sinning, for God created persons. He did not create puppets. James 1:13-15 states that God does not even tempt people to sin, but they are led astray by their own evil desires. 1 John 2:16 tells us that the sins of the world are not of the Father. Even Eccl 7:29 tell us that God did not make man with an inclination to sin, but we chose sin anyway. Lastly, Genesis 3 assures us that Satan, not God, is the author of sin.

It would be unbiblical for YOU to get into your car and plow into a crowd of people at the mall, and say that God caused you to do it, or that you were doing the will of God.

It would be unbiblical for YOU to commit adultery on your wife and then say that God caused you to do it, or that you were doing the will of God.

It would be unbiblical for you to rob a bank and then say to the police who capture you that God caused you to do it, or that you were doing the will of God.

 

If God causes me to sin, then I should give into my sinful desire, do God's will, and beat you to a pulp with a 2x4 for what in my opinion are your off-the-wall views. You wouldn't have a problem with that, would you? After all, I'd be doing God's will.

 

Now that's the pot calling the kettle black.

 

The question is: Did God force David to sin? No. He sinned out of his own accord. God did not make David sin.

Now respond to my post.