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Did Jesus ever kill anyone?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Joseph_Botwinick, Aug 9, 2006.

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  1. Marcia

    Marcia Active Member

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    By fully, I mean that Jesus never set aside his deity - never. While on earth, he was fully God and fully man.

    The verse in Mk 13 is debated, but I, along with others, think that it means that Jesus may have set aside his divine ability to know all things at certain points on earth for certain reasons. To set aside some of his divine abilities does not mean he set aside deity.

    Incarnated as a man, Jesus still had many Godlly powers (it states many times he knew what men around him were thinking; he saw Nathaniel under the tree; he knew the woman at the well had been married 5 times and she was not living with her husband; and other incidents), but apparently at the moment when he stated the above, he had set aside that knowledge of that particular event. I believe he does know the time of the above now.
     
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    Why then did He say "Father Glorify me again as I was when I was with you"? Apparently He could not raise lazareth until He was Glorified. God could of raised him.

    I believe He knows that time now too for all power was given unto Him both in Heaven and on Earth.
     
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    Well, OK. I really did try to understand what you were saying. I am sorry I couldn't figure it out.

    peace to you:praying:
     
    #103 canadyjd, Aug 9, 2006
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    Ah, but it does matter. This spirit of Christ could neither die or be nailed to a cross.
     
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    Are you saying the Spirit of Christ (God) left Jesus (the man) when He was nailed to the cross?

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    Jesus gave it up, "Father I commend my Spirit unto thy hands".
     
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  7. Marcia

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    Uh-oh, Brother Bob, your statement above made my red flag alarm go off! :smilewinkgrin: I need clarification again.

    You don't believe God the Father takes on the forms of God the Son and God the HS, do you? You are not saying they are the same Person, are you (as in modalism)? Because that is how the modalists (Oneness) talk -- God takes on "forms."
     
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    I misspoke, I meant to say he is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. better?
     
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    Certainly He meant when He died. He did not "give up the Spirit" until He died. Not when He was nailed to the cross.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    I misspoke, I meant to say he is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. better?
     
    #110 Brother Bob, Aug 9, 2006
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    Don't worry about it. Right now, he simply believes whatever is necessary to avoid having to apologize for lying. He'll drop out of modalism again once this blows over and he gets away with it.
     
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    He couldn't commend it unto the Father if He didn't have it.
     
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    Oh, no! :eek: This sounds exactly like modalism!

    DeeJay, say it ain't so! You do believe in the Trinity, right? One Godhead but 3 distinct (not separate), co-equal, co-eternal Persons.

    God the Father is not God the Son - Jesus is not God the Father.
     
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    canadyjd

    While this may fit Bob as well, I was asking this of Joseph. I doubt that either of them believe in modelism (sabellianism), but I would like to be sure.

    Humbly

    Wayne


     
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    I misspoke, I meant to say he is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. better?__________________

    One God but three distinct parts. Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
     
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    I believe that God is three distinct persons and one all at the same time.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    I simply don't understand what that statement has to do with what we are speaking of. I never said He didn't have it. I said He didn't give it up until He died. That was what He was speaking of when He said He commended His Spirit unto the Father.

    Now, please answer as directly as possible. Do you believe the Spirit of God left Jesus the man on the cross before He died?

    peace to you:praying:
     
    #117 canadyjd, Aug 9, 2006
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    No, not better! Do you believe that God the Son and God the Father and God the HS are all the same Person?
     
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    I misspoke, I meant to say he is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. better?__________________

    One God but three distinct parts. Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
     
    #119 Brother Bob, Aug 9, 2006
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    It's not 3 distinct "parts," but 3 distinct Persons within the Godhead. Is that what you believe?
     
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