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Did Jesus first have to learn what's good and what's evil?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by xdisciplex, Jun 9, 2006.

  1. xdisciplex

    xdisciplex New Member

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    Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
    Isa 7:15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
    Isa 7:16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

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  2. webdog

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    Good topic. I would have to vote "yes". Jesus was fully human, too. Humans grow, get potty trained and learn right from wrong. I believe that Jesus chose to "tap into" His deity while in human form, but there is Scripture that show that Jesus did not know everything while on earth...

    Matthew 24:36 "Now concerning that day and hour no one knows--neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son--except the Father only.
     
  3. Bro. Curtis

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    What about 1John, where the word was God, and the word became flesh.

    And being a carpenter in his youth would have taken no small amount of training, but at 12 he was an expert on scripture. Joseph was a carpenter, I doubt they had scritures laying around, that Jesus could study at his liesure.

    I could be very wrong, but that's how I see it.
     
  4. Bro. Curtis

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    Also, I believe there is plenty of scriptual support for the belief that all of us are born knowing the difference, and choose to do evil. My experience as a parent also backs this up.
     
  5. Jim1999

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    Luke 2:52

    "And as Jesus continued to grow in body and mind, he grew also in the love of God and of those who knew him.." Phillips

    "And Jesus increased in wisdom and age, and in favour with God and man." KJV

    An infant does not always cry out of need, but often out of want...they know the difference, even at the tenderest of age.

    I personally think Jesus divested Himself of divine knowledge whilst ministering on earth. This is not to say he did not possess divine knowledge. He was the God/man, and how else could He experience the things of man?

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  6. gekko

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    yes - we are born knowing what is right and wrong...

    for proof of that - lets go to babies - you with babies know this much better than i - so if im wrong - please correct me.

    when you have a kid - it starts crying - it KNOWS something is wrong!
    when you take something from a kid - he/she says "MINE!" or "NOO!" - it is selfish.
    when you put food in front of it - it may or may not eat it - it may throw it on the floor! - when it does - the kid laughs... - it knows its done something wrong to make you clean it all up!
    when it soils itself - it either laughs or cries - it knows its done something wrong there - and needs to be cleaned...

    how's that so far? are we born knowing right and wrong? :D
     
  7. genesis12

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    We are in no position to compare our own birth and early life experiences to His. Jesus fully understood His mission before the foundation of the world. He was, after all, sent to define good and evil to His own, and His own received Him not. If He was limited during the early years, it was He, Himself, who did the limiting.
     
  8. gekko

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    genesis12 said "He was, after all, sent to define good and evil to His own"
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    huh? no. he came to seek and to save that which is lost - which includes dying on the cross - rising from the grave etc.
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    good and evil had already been defined in the old testament - Jesus came to shine a new light on the old law - but not take away the old light - for there would be less light without the old light.
     
  9. Eliyahu

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    I don't think so

    He was confirming what he knew from the beginning. He was a Creator from the beginning. He was in the Heaven while He was on this earth ( John 3:13)
    He was born from above.( Jn 8:23)
    He noticed Abraham and Abraham was pleased to His days ( Jn 8:56-).

    He became perfect ( Heb 5:9). Does this mean that He was imperfect before ? Nope !

    He was perfect even before Crucifixion, but became perfect after Crucifixion. The difference is that We were included in His perfection thru His death at the Cross. He became perfect including us.

    Did Jesus learn from His parents and then tell them this ?

    Luke 2:
    49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
     
  10. genesis12

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    Huh? Yes. Jesus had a specific mission and message for the Jewish leadership, immersed in their traditions. They mandated that the Jewish brethren follow their traditions. To do otherwise was to be excommunicated. Jesus came to the Jews to point out their gross misapplication of OT scripture; hence, to address the issue of good and evil on His terms, not their own. Matthew 3:1-12; 7:15-20; 21:13; 23:23-24. In so doing He came to separate out those who would deny Him, and those who would joyfully follow Him, seeking to save that which was lost. He clarified the meaning and intent of scripture for them. When they denied Him, He spoke to Paul on the road to Damascus, Paul, the awesome messenger to the Gentiles, creating a following in which there was no Jew or Greek, slave or free, male or female, but all were spiritually One in Christ Jesus. :Fish:
     
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