What do you mean by humanity? And what Bible verse are you referencing which mentions humanity in the way you would define it?
Did Jesus Have the Same nature as Adam. Or All of Us then?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Yeshua1, Feb 9, 2018.
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Romans 5
12Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all mene because all sinned— 13for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. 14Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
Every person is born with passions and desires. Those passions and desires are that considered “of the flesh”. Because every person is born, as is all humankind having chromosomes “of the flesh,” the result being that the very nature of a person is born in sin. No person is born without passion and fleshly desires and therefore are by nature of the flesh, sinners.
Galatians 5:
16But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.17For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21envy,d drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who doe such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
So the principle of Scriptures is that every person of the first Adam is born in sin and because they are born of the flesh have a nature of the flesh - a sin nature.
The doctrine, that you claim is a lie in your post, is actually fundamental to the presentation of Scripture. -
Did eating of the fruit of the tree of death adulterate, virginity?
What was the purpose of the first virgin? an help meet / עֵזֶר / LXX βοηθὸς
Hebrews 13:6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, (βοηθός) and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.
Did Adam knowing Eve, usurp God?
Is that why all men are conceived in sin and shaped in iniquity? Other than Christ?
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. Ps 51:5
BTW I am asking questions and trying to understand scriptures like Ps 51:5. I am not putting anything in stone.
I post this for discussion.
Jesus with the nature of Abraham / Adam yet without sin? -
That purpose being stated in 1 John 3:8 and Hebrews 2:14.
Adam was created in his created nature for the purpose of the Son of God being manifested in that nature, for the purpose of destroying the works of the devil, which preceded and continued forward, from the creation of the man.
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2) Was Jesus conceived as someone separated from God because he/she was made a sinner? No
3) Did Jesus have a human spirit, formed within him? No, He is God incarnate.
4) Was Jesus 100% human? Yes
5) Was Jesus 100% God? Yes -
Eze 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of therighteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of thewicked shall be upon him -
This is wrong thinking.
No one is born righteous.
Ezekiel is addressing the matter of payment for sin, not in what condition one is born.
The sin of my father is not held against me is what Ezekiel is contending.
But neither is my father's righteousness held in trust for me.
I bear "the iniquity" of my own, and the righteousness of Christ given to me is not based upon race, creed, heritage, blood type, language, health, wealth, social standing, ... It is a gift given specifically to me, irregardless of any predilection of precondition.
One is born infused in the will of the flesh, therefore they are born in Sin. Such as ALL are born in Sin.
It is the nature in which one is born.
I don't sin because of my father, but because that is the nature of who I am as a human.
This is why when one is "born from above" they are a NEW creature. They have a new will, a new body waiting for them, and all things pass away from the old. -
Do you think Jesus could have fallen as Adam did, or do you think that He resisted sinning ever just do to Him relying upon the Spirit, or also due to Him being very God?
ALL humanity was cursed and fallen since time of thje fall, so what exactly was jesus humanity if exactly same as ours then? -
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It does not matter whether or not Jesus could have sinned (that's a philosophical question Scripture does not discuss). The point is that Jesus did not sin. Jesus was tempted by Satan to satisfy his physical hunger (a desire of the flesh) when he was fasting, yet overcame that temptation. Jesus prayed not his will, that the cup should pass, but the will of the Father that he would suffer it for our sake.
Be careful not to let philosophy lead you from what Scripture doesn't teach. It is better to have holes in your theories than fillers in the pillars of your faith. "Painter's caulk" theology may look good, but it will simply not hold up. -
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He actually experienced sin FAR greater way than us, for how can sinners always in darkness understand how One whose very nature cannot abide any darkness now finds Himself surrounded by it on all sides? -
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