Did John Kerry Cheat at the Debate?

President Bush has publicly confessed his faith in Jesus Christ. Doesn't matter what denomination anyone claims to be a part of. What matters is faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. President Bush has confessed and given public testimony of that faith. He, whether you like it or not, is a brother in Christ.

 

Theres a big difference.
Baptist and methodist believe faith alone saves but catholics believe in faith plus works, sacraments..etc.

 

And you had better have a sweet smile on your face when you say that KenH. LOLOL

But the mystery was solved when The Post reviewed a Fox News Channel feed from Thursday's debate: Kerry pulled out . . . a black pen.

RockRambler, you said you are a former lobbyist. May I ask for which organization?

Diane

 

I guess I'll have to watch this Friday. From all the reports, both men behaved themselves reasonably well, didn't lie that much, and actually talked about issues.

I had no idea either of them were capable of that.

 

So on presidents in office being respected across the political spectrum.
Truman, no.
Roosevelt, no.
Hoover, no.
Coolidge, no.
Harding, no.
Wilson, no.
Taft, no.
Teddy Roosevelt?
It's 'nice' to know that the office of POTUS seems to have had little intrinsic respect in the eyes of the electorate for at least a century.
Silly me, I thought the level of respect for the office of PM in my country was in trouble...

 

So, what't the principle here? If we judge the president a saved Christian, we respect him, but if we judge him unsaved, we trash him?

I'm not of the opinion that any president is above harsh criticism. What bothers me is the double standard...if he's "our guy", he can cater to homosexuals and spend the nation into oblivion, and he's a hero. If he's not "our guy", we trash him. This does not go unnoticed by a watching world.

 

Of course, the book of James has a lot to say about demontrating your faith by your works. We all have shortcomings, but in my opinoin Bush's policies do not reflect Christianity, overall.

 

And the pen had a wireless data reciever and a one line LCD screen on it?

Like Ken said it sure was an elaborate way to gather, produce and lay a pen down....

And, it was still a violation even if it was a mere Black Ball Point Pen...

 

Watch the video again - President Bush was also writing with a pen.

 

The point, C4K, is that anything used at the podium (papers, pens, whatever else) was to be submitted ahead of time and placed there by the debate staff.

In the end there are two issues:

1. If Kerry cheated, it shows a lack of character. No one would be surprised by that. It was just a dumb thing to do. There was nothing to be gained by it.

2. No one should be making a big deal out of it. There are actual issues that should be discussed and this is not one of them. Anyone who thinks KErry is a man of great character is clearly not in touch with reality. But this simply a non-issue.

 

I agree on the non-issue. To me it sounds like the Bush camp is getting desperate.

 

I don't think it is desparation really. I actually think the Bush camp is thinking they are in pretty good shape. Bush had a bad debate, had to face constant charges about things that were distorted to a large degree, showed great exasperation and frustration and at times disinterest, and Kerry still made up little ground comparatively. Bush still scored much higher in foreign affairs and fighting the war on terror in the polls that I have heard about. Bush still scored much higher in personal likeability and confidence. So Kerry, for all of his crowing, doesn't seem to have gained much. Kerry will have to have total knockouts in the last two debates, it seems to me, to have a chance to win.

 

I agree C4K....the Bush camp is losing ground and they are still trying to divert the view from the issues.

 

Pastor Larry, most people KNOW John F (flip flop) Kerry is a liar and a real screwball. Yet, for some reason he is gaining ground and is well within the margin of error in most polls now.

 

Here are some poll results:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134494,00.html

 

Hmmm, that's better than yesterdays polls. But then again, who can count on polls? They change so often it's hard to truly guage anything, though I do think Bush will win. (At least I hope he cleans Kerry's clock!)

 

The accusations of Kerry cheating makes people sound like sore losers. They should just take their lumps and move on. The Bush camp is still in great shape. Remember, Bush can still take 2 of the 3 debates and come out looking pretty.

 

Bush is slumping in the polls right now, but he can still turn it around. The problem is the momentum of the campaign has shifted to Kerry, and he needs to do something quick.