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Did Paul consider himself to be authoring scripture?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by quantumfaith, May 9, 2010.

  1. quantumfaith

    quantumfaith Active Member

    Jan 26, 2010
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    I would like to read responses, thoughts and analysis with regard to the following:

    "Now when we say that Paul writes letters we have to realize that Paul really doesn't think of himself as writing scripture. He hasn't yet thought of a New Testament. It didn't exist yet. For Paul the Bible means the Hebrew Scriptures, or more precisely, the Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures that we call the Septuagint. So when Paul quotes scripture he's quoting from the Hebrew Bible in its Greek form. When Paul writes letters he's writing everyday, ordinary letters to real people in real cities trying to deal with the circumstances in which they're living. ...[H]e does want to deal with theological issues, but Paul isn't writing theological treatises as much as he's giving advice and instruction and encouragement for living."

    If I have placed on the wrong thread board, inform me and I will attempt to move it. My question is this, how is the "nature" of the OT scriptures different than the NT scripture? How did the Hebrews arrive at their accepted canon of scripture and how is that different/same with respect to the Christian NT scriptures?
  2. jbh28

    jbh28 Active Member

    Mar 14, 2008
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    Paul did consider a NT during his time of writing. In I Timothy 5:18, Paul quotes both OT Scripture and Luke(NT) and calls them both Scripture.

    I Timothy 5:18
    For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain,” and, “The laborer deserves his wages.”​
    "You shall not muzzle..." is from Deut 25:4. "The Laborer..." is from Luke 10:7. Paul recognized the gospel of Luke as Scripture.

    As far as Paul knowing he is Writing Scripture, I'll look at see. I believe there is somewhere where Paul says he is getting his writings from the Lord. I'll check on it.
  3. Rex77

    Rex77 Member

    May 4, 2006
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    2Peter 3.16
    15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
    16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

    At least Peter knew Paul was writing scripture. So why wouldn't Paul
  4. Dr. Walter

    Dr. Walter New Member

    Apr 28, 2010
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    My friend, I believe all the apostles knew they were to complete the Biblical canon. It was predicted in Isaiah 8:16-20. Isaiah 8:18 was quoted by the writer in Hebrews 2:12 directly applied to the apostes (Heb. 2:3-4). Jesus explicitly told them in the upper room discourse that the Holy Spirit would give them infallible memories of Christ and what he said and that they would be led "into ALL truth" and that through their words others would come to believe in Christ (Jn. 17:20). John explicitly stated that what the apostles said or wrote was the standard of truth (I Jn. 4:5-6). Paul claimed what he said and wrote was the Word of God (1 Thes. 2:13). Peter claimed that Pauls writings were as "other scriptures" (2 Pet. 3:15-16).

    John the last living apostle claimed that Revelation was the "testimony" of Jesus in keeping with Isaiah 8:16 "Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples." and John placed such a seal in Revelation 22:18-19.

    The Bible reads as a completed book. What is begun in Genesis is finished in Revelation

    1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth - Genesis
    And I saw a new heaven and a new earth - Revelation

    2. The gathering together of the waters he called seas - Genesis
    And the Sea is no more - Revelation

    3. The darkness he called night -Genesis
    There will be no night there - Revelation

    4. God made two great lights (sun and moon) - Genesis
    The city had no need of the Sun or the moon - Revelation

    5. In the day you eat thereof you shall surely die - Genesis
    Death shall be no more - Revelation

    6. I will greatly multiply your pain - Genesis
    Neither shall there be pain any more - Revelation

    7. Satan appears as the deceiver of mankind - Genesis
    Satan disappears forever - Revelation

    8. They were driven from the tree of life - Genesis
    The tree of life reappears - Revelation

    9. They were driven from God's presence - Genesis
    They shall see His face - Revelation

    10. Genesis anticipates Christs first coming - Genesis 3:15
    Revelation anticipates Christ's second coming

    11. Man's primeval home was by a river - Genesis
    Man's eternal home is by a river - Revelation

    Isaiah 8:14-15 is specifically quoted in the New Testament and applied to Christ just as Isaiah 8:18 is specifically quoted in the New Testament and applied to the apostles of Christ. Therefore when Isaiah says "among my disciples" in verse 16 this is ultimately fulfilled in the finishing of the Biblical canon directly by or underneath the direction of the apostles. They knew what they were doing.
  5. TomVols

    TomVols New Member

    Oct 30, 2000
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    Would it matter? God's word is still God's word, inerrant, inspired, infallible, whether they knew it was such or not.
  6. Dr. Walter

    Dr. Walter New Member

    Apr 28, 2010
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    Yes sir, I believe it does mattter or those statements would not be found in the Scriptures at all if it did not matter.

    Yes sir, I believe it does matter as it is a descisive issue between non-cessationism and cessationism in regard to finsihed Biblical revelation.