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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Baptist in Richmond, Jun 22, 2007.

  1. Baptist in Richmond

    Baptist in Richmond Active Member

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    Saw this at the Drudgereport this morning.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070621/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cheney_secrecy_5

    An interesting statement:

    Amazing........ I guess the Office of the Vice President is not accountable to anyone.

    Regards,
    BiR (in Memphis, TN)
     
  2. Magnetic Poles

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    Yep...since when is the office of the VEEP not part of the executive branch, nor subject to laws like freedom of information. This administration is way out of control.
     
  3. LadyEagle

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    Agreed about them being out of control, but the reasoning (as reported) is because the VP holds a unique office is also part of the Legislative Branch (Senate). Thus, that is the tack they are taking.
     
  4. hillclimber1

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    And it is the correct and lawful tack.:thumbs:
     
  5. KenH

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    The vice president is clearly a member of the executive branch of the federal government. For Vice President Cheney to claim otherwise is nonsensical.

    But this administration hasn't given more than lip service to the federal constitution since 9/11/2001.
     
  6. Baptist in Richmond

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    Congrats - if you believe this, then you are a complete and total acolyte.
    Do you remember when the meetings on energy policy took place?
    The VP didn't want to provide any information on that either, did he?

    Must be nice to have substantial power and no accountability......
     
  7. Pastor Larry

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    Since when have presidents been required to divulge information from presidential advisors? How competent or forthright will someone's counsel and input be when they have to wonder whether or not it will be used against them?

    Requiring divulging of executive branch meetings and counsel is not only bad precedent, I would think it would be unconstitutional under the separation of powers part of the constitution.

    Cheney has said and done a lot of dumb things, but this issue is not a valid one. If the Dems want to know what goes on executive branch meetings, then win the election and assume the power of the executive branch. Until then, let the president seek advice and counsel without jeopardy.
     
  8. TomVols

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    Welcome to 21st century politics. After Clinton's impeachment, pundits opined that Dems would strike back at the next GOP admin. They have. The GOP will strike back at the next Dem admin. The cycle will be vicious and never-ending. And it will all be financed by taxpayer dollars.
     
  9. carpro

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    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/w.../05/11/court_backs_cheney_on_energy_meetings/

    Court backs Cheney on energy meetings
    Details on private strategy sessions to remain as such

    By Charlie Savage, Globe Staff | May 11, 2005

    WASHINGTON -- A federal appeals court ruled yesterday that Vice President Dick Cheney will not have to release details about the role of energy executives in private meetings Cheney held to craft national energy strategies, a decision that probably brings an end to a long-running and politically charged lawsuit.
    Article Tools

    The Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia unanimously ruled that there was no evidence that energy lobbyists were official participants in Cheney's private energy policy task force meetings, so its records do not have to be disclosed.

    ''In making decisions on personnel and policy, and in formulating legislative proposals, the president must be free to seek confidential information from many sources, both inside the government and outside," the court wrote.
     
  10. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    Ooooh! that's going to leave a mark!
     
  11. Baptist in Richmond

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    You're right - we should simply let the VP do whatever he wants with no accountability.
    A point worth noting is that the article provided simply affirmed my statement to which carpro was responding.

    BiR
     
  12. Baptist in Richmond

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    Did you read the article, Pastor Larry?

    Here is the statement again, reproduced from the article in the initial post to this discussion:
    So, if the Office of the VP "is not an 'entity within the executive branch,'" then how can they claim Executive Privilege?

    Now, here's a great point made at the article carpro provided:

    I guess that the VP has changed his mind, and is not part of the EXECUTIVE branch of government. That being the case,
    it seems as though this ruling has no merit, and the VP can now provide the information that Judicial Watch was seeking.

    Besides, if they don't have anything to hide, why are they refusing to provide the information? Or are they simply above the law?

    Amazing: if this were former Vice President Gore claiming this, all of the acolytes would be screaming at the top of their collective lungs.....

    Regards,
    BiR
     
  13. carpro

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    It also affirmed the legality of Cheney's action. Your smear job by innuendo failed.
     
  14. carpro

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    A casual reading of Clinton's Executive Order makes it clear that the ISO is to oversee government "agencies" declassification process.

    The Vice President's office, as well as the Presidency and Congressional offices are not "agencies" of the Federal Government. Cheney has a point.

    They are elected offices, not "agencies".
     
  15. hillclimber1

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    And yet again, you are wrong, but convinced.
     
  16. hillclimber1

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    edited out, as Pastor Larry and Carpro sufficiently explored the truth.
     
    #16 hillclimber1, Jun 24, 2007
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  17. KenH

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    The vice president is clearly a member of the executive branch. Presiding over the U.S. Senate once in a blue moon doesn't change that fact.

    If one reads the U.S. constitution, then he will see that the office of vice president was created by Article II - the same Article that created the office of president.

    The legislative branch was created by Article I.
     
  18. carpro

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    Who, besides Waxman, said he wasn't?
     
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