Dietary laws

Amen, Larry.

In Christ,
Trotter

 

Amen Pastor Larry.

 

sorry double post

 

Then please tell me where in the Word of God, where God instructs us to live healthier lives by eating right. You do belive that God gave us everything that pertains to life and Godliness, right? Since your health depends a lot on what you eat, do you really think that God would just overlook something so important

 

Acts 10
9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

There are some good reasons not to eat pork or too much of any red meat, but it's simply not a biblical issue anymore since God has cleansed all.

HankD

 

Your health also depends on not walking out in front of trucks and cars that aren't stopped. Did God tell us that anywhere?? Of course, I make the point by being absurd. But that is the point. Everything necessary for life and godliness does not include diets, street crossing instructions, etc. It is a reference to the moral necessities of obedience to God.

There are a number of principles about eating healthy and right. But they are not ironclad. God does not forbid chocolate, Coke, sugar, candy, etc ... all things that are bad for your health. He does command us to take care of our temples, not to be gluttons, and to serve him.

You also cannot enforce the OT Law on believers. Paul reminds us that if you keep a part of it, you must keep all of it.

There are certainly people who need to eat healthier. But that is not the explicit mandate of Scripture. Furthermore, as I pointed out, eating healthy is not said to be the purpose of the clean/unclean distinction. In that point, you have added to the word of God. That is not good.

 

I wonder if anyone has ever bothered to look in to what is in and done to the other foods you buy and eat? I asked simeilar questions several pages agi and haven't seen a reply yet.
All meat has bacteria and mirocopic worms, E-coli, salmonilla,(forgot the other one), all your meat was fed hormones(for one casues premature puberty, children today reach puberty years before they used too), and given other drugs which turns up in your meat, and your milk has hormones in it,laying chickens are fed a hormone for laying more eggs, and it is in your eggs, almost all foods are irradated(sp?) they've been zapped and have a certain amount of radioactivity in them.
The only way of avoiding all this contamination is to buy only grass fed beef, no medications, only organicly grown fruits and vegetables and eggs, none of the animals(including chickens both for meat and eggs) that have been fed no store bought grains for feed.
Of course then you still have the E-coli and salmonilla.
Do little research on the net and you'll find you can not eat without some contamination. You can't even drink water without it.
So I'm sure all the anti pork people will work extra hard and pay twice as much to get as close as possible to non contaminated foods, since the stuff in the store in bad for your health and body. That is if your serious about what you are saying. If not then you'll continue as always, ignoring exactly what you've been complaining about pork in other foods.

 

Pass the grain fed pure Black Angus roast and gravy please----if the fungis is gonna "take me out" I might as well go out tastin' it!

 

The information I found was on multiple sites, I choose a few, you can find amny more.
When the goverment deems soemthing (meat, eggs, milk contamination) safe they do mean it does not contain it, but that it is at "acceptable" levels, which still means contamination.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=154492http://members.aol.com/paratbweb/letters/usaha/2000beefres.htm

http://classaction.findlaw.com/recall/drug/fsis1/summary/2000.html


http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/fs/food-disease/news/conagro.html

http://www.organicconsumers.org/Toxic/hormoncancer.cfm

http://www.pmac.net/AM/stop_ads.html

http://www.preventcancer.com/consumers/general/milk.htm

http://www.heall.com/body/askthedoctor/nutrition/bovinegrowthhormone.html

http://www.marlerclark.com/news/firm35.htm

http://nano.med.umich.edu/food_bacteria_background.htm

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Listeria_is_caused_by_contaminated_food?OpenDocument

http://www.freep.com/news/health/qrecall5.htm

http://immuneweb.org/articles/contaminated.html

 

But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean

Funny. I wonder how many years after Christ died did this event take place. One year? Two? Five? And Peter, who walked and talked with the risen Christ(A perfect opportunity to instruct the apostles on what He nailed to the cross and "did away with") still, after recieving the Holy Spirit, after performing many miracles, after all this time AFTER the death and resurrection of Christ, STILL refrained from eating unclean meat??
Funny.

 

Audra, Peter was going by O.T. law, knowing that the salvation issue was resolved, he like us today wanted to chop up the law into pieces, stuff we don't want or need,and parts that seem reasonable(except from God's point of view) and what did God say to him, kill and eat(they were all obviously unclean meats), yet God called them clean becasue He had cleaned them.


Ro 14: 14 I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

1Cor 10: 25 Eat whatever is sold in the meat market, asking no questions for conscience’ sake; 26 for “the earth is the LORD’s, and all its fullness.

 

Lev 10: 9‘These you may eat of all that are in the water: whatever in the water has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers—that you may eat. 10But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you. 11They shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination. 12Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales—that shall be an abomination to you.

lobster, crab, shrimp, clams, mussels
do you eat these?

Lev 10: 22These you may eat: the locust after its kind, the destroying locust after its kind, the cricket after its kind, and the grasshopper after its kind.
When's the last time you ate a locust? God said they are food for you.

 

I have read all these posts with great interest. After considering all the arguments I have concluded that HankD's posting the scripture from Acts 10 makes the most sense.

Therefore Ma'am, I'll have my aigs over easy along with that slab of salt cured Kentucky country ham, with a side of red eyed gravy to wet up my hot cathead biscuits.

 

Hi Doc in B.G.

 

True, but then He told Peter it was time for a change of menu.

HankD

 

Sorry guys, I still believe that God did not design those animals to be eaten by human beings. I believe Him.
What I found interesting though..... just another thought:
Acts 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean ………. (Looks like Peter still didn’t get it, huh? You would think that after three times, a light bulb would go off.)

27 And as he talked with him, he went in and found many that were come together
28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
(Ok...he figured out the first half, right? Why doesn't he speak about all foods being made clean? Maybe he will tell the rest of the brethren later.)

Acts 11: 2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,
3 Saying Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised and didst eat with them....(Okay, here are good ol' Jews, right? Now is the time for Peter to lay out his vision, which carried a double meaning. Both would be shocking to Jews, who wouldn't touch unclean flesh with a ten foot pole and neither a Gentile, also.)
8 But I said Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed that call not thou common
10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.(Ok, here it comes...)

...Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace and glorified God, saying Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life .
(What! That's it? Now didn't Peter mention that the dietary laws, which were ingrained into the Jews since childhood, had been abolished by God(who created both the animals and the laws) and now everything was clean? Seems like he forgot in the all the hubaloo about the Gentiles being accepted by God.)

 

Seems in all the hoopla someone forgot grace.

 

Seems what Peter said was pretty clear. It was not talking about unclean meat, but about gentiles.
Paul even declared in Ephesians that this is the mystery which has been hidden from mankind: the gentiles will receive the chance of salvation. - paraphrased. That is GRACE.

 

and you just said a mouthful Donna!

Acts 10:9 The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. 10 Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance 11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat." 14 But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean." 15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common." 16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.

 

Why do people not read the rest of the story?

Acts 10
26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, "Stand up; I myself am also a man." 27 And as he talked with him, he went in and found many who had come together. 28 Then he said to them, "You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean. 29 Therefore I came without objection as soon as I was sent for. I ask, then, for what reason have you sent for me?"
34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. 35 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.